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Yeah!!! & New Zealander's dont do sheep. :- "dessie said:
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How can you say that Dessie?? :rant: (w00t)
Surely if a whippet is constructed correctly and moves like a dream it shouldn't matter what colour it is.
So I suppose your worst nightmare would be a litter consisting of all solid fawns. :wacko:
Surely if a whippet is constructed correctly and moves like a dream it shouldn't matter what colour it is.
So I suppose your worst nightmare would be a litter consisting of all solid fawns. :wacko:
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I have shown fawns. As many as a total of 4. Not by choice. Just always had Brindles & parties. But I would rather have a fawn than a black. 
I had a fawn with a white trim once, he was a complete loose cannon. Dear departed Lester hated him from Day One and I couldn't have left them in the same room together unsupervised. One day whilst out on exercise they started a fight and the rest pitched in .................... all against the ginger dog and he had some pretty horrific injuries. So, that was it, I re-homed him for his own safety and now he lives the life of Riley on the Isle of Wight.
I have never had dogs fight like that before nor since. So we don't do fawns.
I have never had dogs fight like that before nor since. So we don't do fawns.
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youve just confirmed what I said a while ago
DONT TAKE A FAWN UNDER CAROLINE !!
DONT TAKE A FAWN UNDER CAROLINE !!
You really must start seeing past the colour !! :b
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So what you are trying to say is that the colour affects the temprement???? :unsure:
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Now ive heard it all !!
but on saying that ..................................
Ive just had a rabbit who is a seal point dwarf lop and mated to a black she produced 2 of each colour , and promptley threw the black ones out the nest , only rearing the seal points !!!
So perhaps its not just Caroline thats colour bias but her brindle whipps too
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Hello!
Just one thing: COLOUR IS IMMATERIAL!!!!!!!!
IMO no matter that the dog is brindle, black, fawn, white, blue, green, pink whatever!!! It's only a matter of quality!!!!
Caroline: I've been said by a french famous breeder the same thing that happened to you with your fawn but concerning black/blue. I mostly have brindles at home but also black and one fawn/white and never had any trouble of that kind. But I had to rehome a blue brindle because my other dogs "didn't like him" so I think it's more a matter of individual...than of colour.
Of course we all have our favorite colours (that's is just a matter of taste not of quality). I don't especially like the fawn colour but I' ve admired fawn dogs like Ch. Birkonbrae Everlasting Love, Ch. Flic FLac...... ( can't remember her name, the dam of Adagio Love Supreme and True Love) and in a so cold "more classical" Ch. Cobyco Candyman!!!
As well, I like Black colour but there are (many) blacks that I don't really like....
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF QUALITY!!!!
Just one thing: COLOUR IS IMMATERIAL!!!!!!!!
IMO no matter that the dog is brindle, black, fawn, white, blue, green, pink whatever!!! It's only a matter of quality!!!!
Caroline: I've been said by a french famous breeder the same thing that happened to you with your fawn but concerning black/blue. I mostly have brindles at home but also black and one fawn/white and never had any trouble of that kind. But I had to rehome a blue brindle because my other dogs "didn't like him" so I think it's more a matter of individual...than of colour.
Of course we all have our favorite colours (that's is just a matter of taste not of quality). I don't especially like the fawn colour but I' ve admired fawn dogs like Ch. Birkonbrae Everlasting Love, Ch. Flic FLac...... (
can't remember her name, the dam of Adagio Love Supreme and True Love) and in a so cold "more classical" Ch. Cobyco Candyman!!!As well, I like Black colour but there are (many) blacks that I don't really like....
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF QUALITY!!!!
It must have been horrible for you Caroline. Actually I have the same problem over parti's and in particular half white heads due to one dog that I had. In his case a brindle and white. Don't know that I could bring myself to have another one. Though I do like a nicely marked black and white.
Yes, colour IS immaterial - but... :b What we choose to live with at home is a personal choice each and everyone of us make on their own and for their own and private reasons. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
What is WRONG is if the parts of our personal preferences that do NOT fit within the standard, e.g. colour immaterial, influence our opinions if we are ever standing in the middle of the ring judging. IF and only if we have the privilege to choose between two animals that are exactly equal in quality (will that ever happen?) should we let ourselves be influenced by our non-standard personal preferences. Stepping off my soap box now... :">
What is WRONG is if the parts of our personal preferences that do NOT fit within the standard, e.g. colour immaterial, influence our opinions if we are ever standing in the middle of the ring judging. IF and only if we have the privilege to choose between two animals that are exactly equal in quality (will that ever happen?) should we let ourselves be influenced by our non-standard personal preferences. Stepping off my soap box now... :">
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I do completly agree with you Malin!
Got to go now.... I am going to Dortmund, 92 whippets entered, might be intersting.... I really got to go, I have something like +/- 700 km!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye
Got to go now.... I am going to Dortmund, 92 whippets entered, might be intersting.... I really got to go, I have something like +/- 700 km!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye
How can you say that you don't do fawns because of one incident ? That is a very catagoric opinion that in mind is totally unfounded and unproven.Specialising in fawns that really does offend me.By implementing this you are saying temprement is governed by colour??? Disagree totally.
Excuse me but you can bring what colour you like under me when I judge. I will judge the dogs but at the end of the day if I had two dogs that I liked equally I would put up the colour I preferred, nothing wrong in that.JAX said:youve just confirmed what I said a while ago
DONT TAKE A FAWN UNDER CAROLINE !!
You really must start seeing past the colour !! :b
However, I don't like the colour so I don't live with it, nothing wrong with that either.
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can safely say that, Dessie certainly does judge fawn whippets fairly,as she does all colours of whippies.She just doesn't chose to live with them..... :cheers:
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Would you live with fawn brindles Dessie?
Honestly - people have to have their colour preferences for their own dogs - it's only natural, we are human after all. As long as you can put that aside when you're judging there is no problem.
I can look at a gorgeously formed blue and say Oh what a beautiful whippet - but I don't think I want one. And as you all know I dearly love black and white and yearn for one badly ... but that doesn't mean that if I were judging I would put a b&w up purely because of it's colour. And if I just wanted the colour I would have had my black and white long before now.
Personally .. I am glad that there are some people in England 'who don't do fawns' and like to have blacks, blues and brightly coloured brindles - because if there weren't these people, England would just be FULL of fawns/fawn brindles/fawn or fawn brindle partis. Have a look back at that dog class photo that was posted a while ago (can't remember what thread or what show it was) but I made a comment then - there wasn't a lot of variation in colour. Nearly all fawn/fawn brindle with a bit of white here and there.
However in saying all that ... I do think that Dessie's fawn dog incident was a matter of the individual dog and the others not liking him for him and nothing to do with colour. I don't believe you can lump all dogs (or people) of a certain colour together and say that they all think and behave in the same way.
Honestly - people have to have their colour preferences for their own dogs - it's only natural, we are human after all. As long as you can put that aside when you're judging there is no problem.
I can look at a gorgeously formed blue and say Oh what a beautiful whippet - but I don't think I want one. And as you all know I dearly love black and white and yearn for one badly ... but that doesn't mean that if I were judging I would put a b&w up purely because of it's colour. And if I just wanted the colour I would have had my black and white long before now.
Personally .. I am glad that there are some people in England 'who don't do fawns' and like to have blacks, blues and brightly coloured brindles - because if there weren't these people, England would just be FULL of fawns/fawn brindles/fawn or fawn brindle partis. Have a look back at that dog class photo that was posted a while ago (can't remember what thread or what show it was) but I made a comment then - there wasn't a lot of variation in colour. Nearly all fawn/fawn brindle with a bit of white here and there.
However in saying all that ... I do think that Dessie's fawn dog incident was a matter of the individual dog and the others not liking him for him and nothing to do with colour. I don't believe you can lump all dogs (or people) of a certain colour together and say that they all think and behave in the same way.
Thank you Lydia and Lana.
You are quite right Lana, the incident with Arkle was just the fact that Lester hated him from the day I got him and he could have been sky blue pink with yellow spots, it was just a quirk of fate that he happened to be fawn.
I do have fawn brindles although they are not my preferred choice, Lochsong is one, although she was quite blue brindle as a baby puppy. I felt she was the pick of litter so I kept her. The one bitch that did not 'do' a lot for me went to my Vet and subsequently, bred back to Frankie, my younger black dog, became the dam of Lydia's Guy. She turned out equally as nice as Lochsong and was much more blue brindle!! The real sickener is that Lochsong is my 'professional virgin' and has never had a litter!! Heigh ho, such is life.
So Dessie had a third litter because I had nothing to breed on from and produced Lochangel, who is a blue brindle particolour. I am not particularly fond of particolours either but, again, she was the pick of the bitches so she stayed and has subsequently produced two excellent litters, Rupert and Aimee being from the first and Bertha in the second. Aimee is a beautiful dark blue brindle and Rupert, as you know is a dark brindle. Bertha is, I suppose, technically a blue brindle but has a silver fawn-ish background, Ellie, to my mind, is a much prettier colour, but although I ran them both on I had to make a decision and the better constructed/mover had to stay.
So, yes, I can see beyond colour, when breeding and especially when judging.
You are quite right Lana, the incident with Arkle was just the fact that Lester hated him from the day I got him and he could have been sky blue pink with yellow spots, it was just a quirk of fate that he happened to be fawn.
I do have fawn brindles although they are not my preferred choice, Lochsong is one, although she was quite blue brindle as a baby puppy. I felt she was the pick of litter so I kept her. The one bitch that did not 'do' a lot for me went to my Vet and subsequently, bred back to Frankie, my younger black dog, became the dam of Lydia's Guy. She turned out equally as nice as Lochsong and was much more blue brindle!! The real sickener is that Lochsong is my 'professional virgin' and has never had a litter!! Heigh ho, such is life.
So Dessie had a third litter because I had nothing to breed on from and produced Lochangel, who is a blue brindle particolour. I am not particularly fond of particolours either but, again, she was the pick of the bitches so she stayed and has subsequently produced two excellent litters, Rupert and Aimee being from the first and Bertha in the second. Aimee is a beautiful dark blue brindle and Rupert, as you know is a dark brindle. Bertha is, I suppose, technically a blue brindle but has a silver fawn-ish background, Ellie, to my mind, is a much prettier colour, but although I ran them both on I had to make a decision and the better constructed/mover had to stay.
So, yes, I can see beyond colour, when breeding and especially when judging.
Yes, Dessie does place fawns when she's judging. Somewhere on here there's a picture of Gladly's fawn daughter winning a class under her! Not that Gladly and I are in the least biassed, but we thought she judged very well that day.... :lol:
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