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Tilly is 5 in March, I have noticed she has a lump about an inch long sort of oval shape, next to her adams apple.

It moves about and is of medium softness

I will pop her along to the vets tomorrow but just wondered if anyone has any ideas

Sorry to ask you after i havent been here for so long but i didnt know where else to go xx
 
Possibly a swollen lymph gland, indicating that she is fighting an infection of some sort. It is perfectly normal for a swelling to take place and it can sometimes take several weeks to reduce.

Best to ask the vet to make sure though :thumbsup: and let us know what he says :)
 
Hi Kim, long time no see! Good to hear from you. Jane has given good advice re lymph glands, the other thing it might be is a salivary cyst, or a blocked saliva gland. Try not to worry, and let us know what the vet says - it almost always turns out to be something simple. :huggles:
 
Bryn has a lump in his throat right next to his adams apple..it is mobile but buried in the tissues beneath the skin rather than in the skin layer as such and is still simply a fatty lump..he's had FNA and we have been told not to worry about it...it seemed like it would be more serious and given it's position I would never have imagined a fatty lump could develop there but nonetheless that's all it is...hope it's nothing more serious than that for your dog too x
 
Just got back from the vets, they have taken a sample, by putting a needle in the lump and drawing out 'stuff'

The vet said the stuff he drew out was gritty

Anyway the results should be back in a day or so

I hope its nothing serious :unsure:
 
Most soft movable lumps are not too worrying, it's when they are hard and rooted to something you have to worry. Sound like a cyst. Good luck.

Bertha.
 
If it's next to the thyroid cartilage then it's unlikely to be related to a salivary gland as the lowest of the glands is underneath the lower jaw.

With regards to lumps - hard immobile swellings are a concern but for a layman to be able to differentiate what is moving within the tissues and what's becoming fixed isn't immediately obvious and just because a swelling is firm doesn't neccesarily mean it is a concern either. For example sebacous cysts often feel firm and fixed within the skin but as Bertha says, they are not ''deep rooted'', which is probably a better term to use.

The FNA (fine needle aspirate) is definately the way to go, I would hope it gives you an immediate diagnosis or at the least ascertain if the lump is related to the thyroid gland, something I suspect would be unlikely as it is moveable and not fixed to the trachea.

I'm no expert but FNA's I've assisted on in humans necks rarely draw off visible matter if they're malignant and the ones where we do draw off matter tend to be related to infections e.g abscesses or sebacous / follicular cysts. The latter is apparently common in dogs in the neck region and usually contains thick, yellow - grey material.

I don't know if this is helpful but after having lost a dog earlier this year to tonsillar carcinoma I can appreciate your anxiety and hope the outcome is more favourable for Tilly. :luck:
 
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If it's next to the thyroid cartilage then it's unlikely to be related to a salivary gland as the lowest of the glands is underneath the lower jaw.With regards to lumps - hard immobile swellings are a concern but for a layman to be able to differentiate what is moving within the tissues and what's becoming fixed isn't immediately obvious and just because a swelling is firm doesn't neccesarily mean it is a concern either. For example sebacous cysts often feel firm and fixed within the skin but as Bertha says, they are not ''deep rooted'', which is probably a better term to use.

The FNA (fine needle aspirate) is definately the way to go, I would hope it gives you an immediate diagnosis or at the least ascertain if the lump is related to the thyroid gland, something I suspect would be unlikely as it is moveable and not fixed to the trachea.

I'm no expert but FNA's I've assisted on in humans necks rarely draw off visible matter if they're malignant and the ones where we do draw off matter tend to be related to infections e.g abscesses or sebacous / follicular cysts. The latter is apparently common in dogs in the neck region and usually contains thick, yellow - grey material.

I don't know if this is helpful but after having lost a dog earlier this year to tonsillar carcinoma I can appreciate your anxiety and hope the outcome is more favourable for Tilly. :luck:
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Thank you for you insight and so sorry for your loss xx

It about an inch long sort of oval shape, to the right side and slightly lower than her voicebox.

When the vet did the FNA, he said the stuff was grey and gritty??

I have fingers crossed

Kim
 
Kim Tilly and Scrumpy Jack said:
wild whippies said:
If it's next to the thyroid cartilage then it's unlikely to be related to a salivary gland as the lowest of the glands is underneath the lower jaw.With regards to lumps - hard immobile swellings are a concern but for a layman to be able to differentiate what is moving within the tissues and what's becoming fixed isn't immediately obvious and just because a swelling is firm doesn't neccesarily mean it is a concern either. For example sebacous cysts often feel firm and fixed within the skin but as Bertha says, they are not ''deep rooted'', which is probably a better term to use.

The FNA (fine needle aspirate) is definately the way to go, I would hope it gives you an immediate diagnosis or at the least ascertain if the lump is related to the thyroid gland, something I suspect would be unlikely as it is moveable and not fixed to the trachea.

I'm no expert but FNA's I've assisted on in humans necks rarely draw off visible matter if they're malignant and the ones where we do draw off matter tend to be related to infections e.g abscesses or sebacous / follicular cysts. The latter is apparently common in dogs in the neck region and usually contains thick, yellow - grey material.

I don't know if this is helpful but after having lost a dog earlier this year to tonsillar carcinoma I can appreciate your anxiety and hope the outcome is more favourable for Tilly. :luck:
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Thank you for you insight and so sorry for your loss xx

It about an inch long sort of oval shape, to the right side and slightly lower than her voicebox.

When the vet did the FNA, he said the stuff was grey and gritty??

I have fingers crossed

Kim
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Didnt get a call from the vets so I guess the results didnt come back in time, will be Tuesday now.

Fingers crossed
 
Sorry forgot to update.

Hubby had to go and pick up antibiotics 10 days worth and give them to her, one tablet twice a day. They really don't know what it is so thought they would try the infection side first. Although the vet though it could be a bit of stick stuck in the inside of her throat.

They lump is still there, so I guess its not that, will take her back next week to get checked out again. Looks like they may have to cut her open to see properly..
 
sorry to hear you havent got any conclusion from the vet regarding what is causing the lump.

i wish you and yours the best and hope to read the lump has gone shortly.

:D :luck: :luck:
 
Can you ask the vet exactly what was the result on the histology?

Even if it wasn't conclusive there would of been something. i.e. salivary fluid, non-specific inflammatory tissue, plasma, pus etc.

Has there been any response with the anti-biotics and has the lump changed at all?
 
I am really sorry I havent updated you

Last Tuesday Tilly went into the vets for an operation to remove the lump, they found a 3cm x 3cm lump that was 'more than fatty tissue'. They sent it away for testing.

Today I got the news, Tilly has cancer, tests show it was an aggressive tumour of her thyroid gland. They removed all the lump, but there could be cancer cells left, chemo will cost between £2000 and £5000 money we dont have.

The vet has said she could live fine for 3months, 6months or even years....and spending the money might not even mean it goes away

I am so upset, she has been my baby since she was 3 moths old, she is my first dog and I am devastated.

I am also worried about scrumpy, he was so upset when Tilly went into the vets, what is he going to do if she dies :(

I just wanted to update you all
 
Kim Tilly and Scrumpy Jack said:
I am really sorry I havent updated you

Last Tuesday Tilly went into the vets for an operation to remove the lump, they found a 3cm x 3cm lump that was 'more than fatty tissue'. They sent it away for testing.

Today I got the news, Tilly has cancer, tests show it was an aggressive tumour of her thyroid gland. They removed all the lump, but there could be cancer cells left, chemo will cost between £2000 and £5000 money we dont have.

The vet has said she could live fine for 3months, 6months or even years....and spending the money might not even mean it goes away

I am so upset, she has been my baby since she was 3 moths old, she is my first dog and I am devastated.

I am also worried about scrumpy, he was so upset when Tilly went into the vets, what is he going to do if she dies :(

I just wanted to update you all
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Kim I'm so sorry about Tilly. She's no age at all. I know how much you love her.

Take care and give Tilly a hug from me.
 
I'm so sorry Kim, i dont know what else to say really :(

xxxx sending you big hugs
 
I am so sorry. There is nothing I can say to help, just love her and keep her happy. Thinking of you, send healing thoughts as well.

xx
 
Oh Kim :( Words aren't enough to say how sorry I am :huggles:

Take comfort in the fact that Tilly doesn't know she has cancer and from her point of view, lots of love and cuddles with plenty of whatever she enjoys best means her life is complete :wub:

Scrumpy will adjust in time if Tilly isn't there anymore, but for now, just concentrate on making Tilly happy and having a wonderful time together xxxxxx
 
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