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:unsure: when is a whippet not a whippet when there's more greyhound than whippet in it????????having been in racing too many years to remember when i got my first whippet in 1972,i had to take it down to the local club to be inspected by the club committee to see if it was whippet type and did not stand over 21" in hieght .

But this rule went out when dogs became taller and lighter ie' my dog coaldust was 22";28lb i was allowed in bwra but could not run at my club.Then people started breeding half crosses ie; yorkie boy x ghd,ped special x ghd,mr benn x ghd,mr ross x ghd:to name just a few, this type of breeding was to get stamina and speed,although this brought ylbs dogs it also brought about the no limit dogs, but to get there fast 26lb 32lb they had to put up with the two or three pups being no limit.

this is how the no limit dogs came about,not breeding half crosses back to ghd's to make three quarter; quarter unless you want to try and make a better sprint ghd to run against ghd's not whippets,they may come back and say they are whippet type.the only way round this in my opinion is to use whippet traps at all major events ie'bends&striaghts this might keep the size down and keep the racing whippet breed going. :thumbsup:
 
Just a little question for all you folk out there. With the current batch of no limit dogs racing at the bends or straights how many of them wouldn't be able to fit into whippet traps? Or is this another topic started to get at certain individuals who have mated their no limit bitches to greyhounds, but just taken from a different slant? :oops:
 
-_- here we go again.. at the minute I can only think of one no limit that would not fit into the whippet traps. Then again Im not sure, it might if squeezed in lol :lol:
 
:zorro: Sherry, i thought it was a very small number. To read the posts and comments on K9 community you would think that it was all of them? :teehee:

Has anyone noticed their dogs coming into better form with the warmer weather or is it just me?
 
WELL SAID LES ITS NOT THE SIZE OF THE SO CALLED WHIPPETS BUT THE WAY THEY ARE BREEDING THEM HOW CAN YOU CALL A DOG OUT OF A FULL GHD AND ¾ OR ½ GHD A WHIPPET, WHATS HAPPENED TO THE OLD WAY WHIPPET X GHD JUST MY OPINION :eek:
 
If the top greyhound sprinters in the country were raced against the top non ped whippets over a distance of 165yds surely the greyhound would win?

Just asking so don't start getting at me. By the way i'm talking about the 19-22 lb whippets. Would they be capable of beating the top greyhound sprinters in the country?
 
;) to dazgail i once seen a programe on tv where they raced a whippet a greyhound and saluki against each other the whippet led for a length of a football pitch where the greyhound took the lead for the 2nd and 3rd pitches but on the 4th and 5th pitch the saluki ledhope this helps. Also i once raced john lee hooker

in an open dash in between greyhound opens at whitwood stadium,john lee hooker won the 100mtr's dash time 4.48,there was a open dash for greyhounds,the time was 4.45 beating my dogs tim by three pop's the greyhound was 3yrs old about 68lb, john lee hooker was 5yrs old 26lb. 8)
 
since its probably me your having anouther dig at

then you have not got any problems

as the smaller dog will clearly beet my new pups hands down.

and im only in this sport to see how many people i can upset.

when the fact is i like BIG DOGS

in a few years time when i have bred down in size you will probably be talking

about what a good brood bitch it was. o:) -_-

gary :thumbsup:
 
:D not getting at anyone ,but the three quarter x quarter has been tried in the past.harry pigg showed what you could breed with half crosses buying a greyhound bitch for 300 pounds in the 1970's producing some of the most prolific scr dogs and some yd's lb's in the country,couple of names of the top of my head janes pace, janes legacy, janes image,janes rebel,lost link, leander sorry if i've forgot anybody.

remembering when you breed down in size people will look at how the mother has done and if they don't prove themselves will people buy the pups. 8)
 
Good point you have made Les but this is exactly what I have been trying to do. By breeding Molly Stag to 2 become 1 I produced an excellent litter, 3 bitches, 2 dogs, weights being 18, 20, 22lb bitches, dogs 30 lb and 36 lb. These pups I could not get enough of. With the help of my mate Billy Craig in Ireland we used Molly's sister Miss Ellie and put her to a greyhound, which produced Come on Ernie and Come on Sue. These two dogs don't need any introducing. Tell me one person who would not be interested in a puppy from Come on Sue to say 2 become 1, now I am repeating that mating with Molly and have 2 bitches in the litter, one of which I will race and then later on breed back to a small whippet of my choosing. After having 11 people wanting one of Molly's pups before they were even born I don't think that I will have any problem with future offspring. As for the future of Molly's pups we just have to wait and see. Using top class greyhound influence, in my opinion, is a must in future whippet racing as we cannot keep going on using the same blood lines. I am not doing anything different to anybody else apart from using dog greyhounds instead of bitches. I am not looking at one litter I am looking at several years ahead. If I am wrong it is my time I have wasted.

Gary ;)
 
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Just out of a matter of interest if you have the above breeding the dog is as much greyhound as it is whippet so why is it not called a greyhound??

(ducks and runs for cover)
 
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Speaking from my own opinion, if i was breeding a scratch dog, i would be inclined to use the methods that Gary is currently using ie:-

1/ I would be trying to breed a dog that would be somewhere between 46-54lb

2/ I would try to use a decent scratch bitch which was well bred

3/ I would use the best available stud dog at my disposal

I think this type of mating would produce a dog capable of winning both on the straights and have the neccessary muscle and strength on the bends, that's not to say that the type of mating you have mentioned whippet-les would not have these attributes.

I get the impression that those of you who are concerned with Gary's breeding think that Gary is trying to produce huge greyhound type no limit dogs, which after having spoken to gary on numerous occasions is not the case. The next time you are at a race meeting take the opportunity to go and speak with him, get to know him and hear what he has to say.

Miss Ellie raced at something between 38-40(i think), she was mated to a greyhound and the biggest pup was 52lb, Come on Ernie. The greyhound she was mated to was 84lb in weight. I'm not sure what Come on Sue's racing weight is, i have been told somewhere around the 46lb mark and she wasn't the smallest pub in the litter. Looking at the breeding there is lot of greyhound in it but clearly the pups have a large amount of the whippet gene in their blood, hence their size's.

What am i trying to say....i've had too much wine...lol...just because the pedigree is riddled with greyhound in the breeding doesn't neccessarily mean that the offspring will be riddled with the greyhound genes, they can throw to the whippet or somewhere in between the two....it's in the lap of the gods, as many of you who have bred their dogs have experienced this. Only time will tell how successful Gary's breeding will be.

Hope you're not as bored reading this as i typing it...the tips of my fingers are raw :teehee: and yes just the two fingers :p
 
ok if thats what they trying to do bring new blood into the sport fair enough but to breed 3/4 greyhound to a full greyhound sire is taking the **** these pups have no whippet left in them if these pups are used to bred with a whippet in future and bring new blood into the sport that way ok but these pups are greyhounds not whippets how can the b.w.r.a or the feds let these run as whippets or even register as whippets ihave nothing against the owner of these pups as he as some very good dogs but to class these as whippets is stretching the imagination a long way
 
:blink: while we are on the subject of breeding what do you all think of line breeding?

i had a dog which was line bred some time ago ( coaldust) which was bred out of dabell and dabella ie the dog had the same grandfather on both sides ie wishy was i knew of a few more prolific racers which were line bred

nobody seems to try this way of breeding any more which is a shame as it keeps the good lines running through the breed

any thoughts on this one? :unsure:
 
Hi Whippet-les

We line breed all our stock, but we are showies. 8)

I can never understand why racing folks just use a dog because its fast, surely whats behind it must have some relivence on the litter they are breeding, and if you are using a greyhound how can you tell what you will get ie how will the gene pool mix?
 
question

which is more greyhound

a 50lb dog bred from a 30 and 22lb whippet

or a 30lb dog bred from a 46lb dog and a greyhound .

my answer is there the same.

when breeding whippets with greyhounds you dont know what you are going to get or when you will get it.

after all these discusstions i think my problem is being to honest as it would be far easyer to just tell people that molly had been mated to another whippet and then said nothing. every body would be happy and i would be a bloody lier.

but would not have to sit up trying to justify my breeding programe.

after all i have a 36lb dog out of molly whith was bred from two become one 18lb

and there is a dog from this litter to a greyhound whitch will probbaly make the same weight.

next time ill just keep my mouth shut or mybe i wont :b

GARY WITH COME ON ERNIE :cheers:
 
:cheers: WHAT GARY IS DOING IS ONE OF THE BEST BREEDING PROGRAMMES FOR THE FUTURE OF WHIPPET RACING, AND IF YOU AT ANY TIME WOULD LIKE TO USE ANY OF MY DOGS, JUST LET ME KNOW, :D
 
Is it possible to set up an archive with all the topics related to breeding ie is it a whippet or a greyhound, the size of no limits and their breeding so that when the topic is brought up again the individual who brought the topic up can view that particular archive. It would save those people who seemed to be constantly having do defend their views and opinions the hassle of having to go throught it all again. I have been on K9 for about 2 months and i think this topic has came up a number of times in some form or other and people are fed up with it.

I am not getting at no one because i am aware when a person becomes a new member on K9 they want to hear other peoples views and opinions on various topics.

It's just a thought.
 
hello rowland gary here thanks for your surport.

what dogs do you have

name sizes ect

might just be interested :)

gary
 
GARY, I HAVE SPELLBOUND 17lb CRACKED IT 22lb OUTBOUND 20lb and HELLBOUND 32lb you may of heard of them LOL, SEE YOU ON SUNDAY, YVONNE
 
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