JOHNG said:
and i cant comment on what it would be like as i havent gone through the same experience, all i meant was that it is very sad that staffies/bull terriers , etc do get stereotyped.
something like this happened to my dad n doody(malachi) wen he was alive my dad was walking him & this big massive dog off the lead came up and yanked a hole out off :rant: him n then wen its owner was shouting it it wouldnt listen so me dad was swearin at this dog n everythin n wen the man came ova 4 the dog he didnt even say is he alryt or nothing & my dad asked 4 his adress n name 4 the vet n the man was lyk p*ss off n walked away & my dog just had a massive hole in his belly u cud c his stomach muscles & eveythin it was horrific all dogs should b kept on leaders especially wen their owners can c there r other dogs about aswell :rant: :rant: :rant: but our doody was glad coz he got alot alot of lovin care & cuddles and loads of choclates n treats off my mam :huggles: ,,with any luck Rachel, Gary and myself will get to like and trust this breed again. Ricky may take a while, but he got very nasty bite's from this dog and may take him a bit longer.
Yes, are totally different but people still seem to think our EBT is a staffie! Even though hes a pedigree EBT :wacko:Susan said:Staffies and bull terrier's are a total differnt breed of dog and look bugger all like each other :blink: ,,,yes my 3 were attcked by a black staffie just wandering about the town and he was out to kill. If Nemo had not slipped his collar and ran home he would be dead :angry: . I know not all staffies are out to kill or fight with other dogs but there are the few who tar the breed and the owners dont give a s**t :rant: . Tanyia on k9 has a staffie and he will meet my 2 kids and Ricky as Ricky still does not like other breeds as he is scared of them
Susan said:Staffies and bull terrier's are a total differnt breed of dog and look bugger all like each other :blink: ,,,yes my 3 were attcked by a black staffie just wandering about the town and he was out to kill. If Nemo had not slipped his collar and ran home he would be dead :angry: . I know not all staffies are out to kill or fight with other dogs but there are the few who tar the breed and the owners dont give a s**t :rant: . Tanyia on k9 has a staffie and he will meet my 2 kids and Ricky as Ricky still does not like other breeds as he is scared of them
Just to make one thing clear I am Susan's husband. I was walking the dog's that night they were attacked by a loose Staffi and trying to defend my dog's against this animal was hard to say the least. I was still in my work clothe's and was wearing steal toe cap boot's and when it became clear that I had to defend my dog's I tried to kick the s**t out of the Staffi and I got a few good kick's in that would have stopped many other dog's in their track's but it made no difference to this animal it felt nothing and the only thing that saved my dog's that night was that one of them slipped the collar and ran home the Staffi gave chase but thankfully it could not run as fast as it could attack I have to say at this piont I wished my dog that slipped the collar God speed as he was a pup and I thought the next time that I saw him he would be dead. This is not the first time that this has happened to me as years ago a dog of mine who broke a leg and had to have it amputated was on it's way to the vet to have his stich's taken out and was being walked over to the car when it was attacked by what looked like a Staffi x and the only thing that saved him was that he was wearing a dog jacket and when he got free he jumped into the car and the door was slammed shut to keep the other dog away. I am by no meen's having a go at Staffi owner's as I agree that there are no bad dog's only bad owners and I am only sharing my experiance's with you but the next dog that has a go at mine will take what it get's.whippynit said:Yes, are totally different but people still seem to think our EBT is a staffie! Even though hes a pedigree EBT :wacko:Susan said:Staffies and bull terrier's are a total differnt breed of dog and look bugger all like each other :blink: ,,,yes my 3 were attcked by a black staffie just wandering about the town and he was out to kill. If Nemo had not slipped his collar and ran home he would be dead :angry: . I know not all staffies are out to kill or fight with other dogs but there are the few who tar the breed and the owners dont give a s**t :rant: . Tanyia on k9 has a staffie and he will meet my 2 kids and Ricky as Ricky still does not like other breeds as he is scared of them
And regardless of looking different and being different they are still get classed the same.....as do Akitas, American pit bulls, dobermans, rottweilers and the like!
I know they are bad owners, i.e the skinhead 'mr hardmen' types and they annoy OH and I for helping give the breeds bad names!!!!! :rant:
You dont know what your talking about, Ive grown up with Staffys , so am I a drug dealer ? And to put you right our staff has been attacked 4 times without fighting back, twice by jack russels inflicting nasty injuries to my staff, one by a terrier cross, and the the last was a whippet cross :rant: I am not a scum head and my dog is no killing machinekris said:to class breeds like pit bulls,staffys and english bull terriers with yorkies and labs and jack russells is like classing a gladiator with an office clerk! (w00t) lets be honest, breeds like the former can inflict horrific damage on a whippy or any other breed in a very short period of time.the folk who are attracted to these breeds these days unfortunately seem to be drug dealers and chav scum.sorry but thats the type of people who own them around where we live.they ARE a stereotype.they have tattoos,shaven heads,adidas or nike track suits and the pit bull/staffy cross in tow.they are attracted to this type of breed because a)theyre not enough of a man to be confident enough to walk down the street with anything other than a 'hard'dog and b)the breeds reputation as a gladiatorial killing machine.and before anyone starts lecturing me on the story that not everyone who owns one of these dogs is a drug dealer/chav/scumbag yes i do know that thankyou.but the hard facts of life are that a lot of the folk who own these breeds are.they are attracted to them for the reasons ive given above.they want a 'real' dog.ive never been attacked by one,but if i was or any of my dogs were id know what to do.johns little bitch chloe was horrifically injured in this unprovoked attack.and i get sick to death of hearing the refrain,hes never done that before,he wouldnt hurt a fly,my kids play with him all the time etc etc.when will people realise that these breeds can kill,or cause horrific injuries.they should be kept on a lead at ALL times.theyre too dangerous to be off the lead in a public place.anyone who is attacked or whose dog is attacked by one should immediately go to the police and make a complaint and go to a solicitor and seek personal injuries,vet fees,etc etc etc.i would sue them into the next world!ok rant over!!!
:rant: I am disgusted by your post! My OH and I are respectable, decent people, we havent got shaven heads, arent scumbags nor drugdealers thank you very much! We have whippets aswell as our bull terrier and its acthully the whippets that boss the EBT if anything!kris said:to class breeds like pit bulls,staffys and english bull terriers with yorkies and labs and jack russells is like classing a gladiator with an office clerk! (w00t) lets be honest, breeds like the former can inflict horrific damage on a whippy or any other breed in a very short period of time.the folk who are attracted to these breeds these days unfortunately seem to be drug dealers and chav scum.sorry but thats the type of people who own them around where we live.they ARE a stereotype.they have tattoos,shaven heads,adidas or nike track suits and the pit bull/staffy cross in tow.they are attracted to this type of breed because a)theyre not enough of a man to be confident enough to walk down the street with anything other than a 'hard'dog and b)the breeds reputation as a gladiatorial killing machine.and before anyone starts lecturing me on the story that not everyone who owns one of these dogs is a drug dealer/chav/scumbag yes i do know that thankyou.but the hard facts of life are that a lot of the folk who own these breeds are.they are attracted to them for the reasons ive given above.they want a 'real' dog.ive never been attacked by one,but if i was or any of my dogs were id know what to do.johns little bitch chloe was horrifically injured in this unprovoked attack.and i get sick to death of hearing the refrain,hes never done that before,he wouldnt hurt a fly,my kids play with him all the time etc etc.when will people realise that these breeds can kill,or cause horrific injuries.they should be kept on a lead at ALL times.theyre too dangerous to be off the lead in a public place.anyone who is attacked or whose dog is attacked by one should immediately go to the police and make a complaint and go to a solicitor and seek personal injuries,vet fees,etc etc etc.i would sue them into the next world!ok rant over!!!
if youd bothered to read my post properly before launching into a rant youd have seen the following.'the folk who are attracted to these breeds these days unfortunately seem to be drug dealers and chav scum.sorry but thats the type of people who own them AROUND WHERE WE LIVE'tanyia said:You dont know what your talking about, Ive grown up with Staffys , so am I a drug dealer ? And to put you right our staff has been attacked 4 times without fighting back, twice by jack russels inflicting nasty injuries to my staff, one by a terrier cross, and the the last was a whippet cross :rant: I am not a scum head and my dog is no killing machinekris said:to class breeds like pit bulls,staffys and english bull terriers with yorkies and labs and jack russells is like classing a gladiator with an office clerk! (w00t) lets be honest, breeds like the former can inflict horrific damage on a whippy or any other breed in a very short period of time.the folk who are attracted to these breeds these days unfortunately seem to be drug dealers and chav scum.sorry but thats the type of people who own them around where we live.they ARE a stereotype.they have tattoos,shaven heads,adidas or nike track suits and the pit bull/staffy cross in tow.they are attracted to this type of breed because a)theyre not enough of a man to be confident enough to walk down the street with anything other than a 'hard'dog and b)the breeds reputation as a gladiatorial killing machine.and before anyone starts lecturing me on the story that not everyone who owns one of these dogs is a drug dealer/chav/scumbag yes i do know that thankyou.but the hard facts of life are that a lot of the folk who own these breeds are.they are attracted to them for the reasons ive given above.they want a 'real' dog.ive never been attacked by one,but if i was or any of my dogs were id know what to do.johns little bitch chloe was horrifically injured in this unprovoked attack.and i get sick to death of hearing the refrain,hes never done that before,he wouldnt hurt a fly,my kids play with him all the time etc etc.when will people realise that these breeds can kill,or cause horrific injuries.they should be kept on a lead at ALL times.theyre too dangerous to be off the lead in a public place.anyone who is attacked or whose dog is attacked by one should immediately go to the police and make a complaint and go to a solicitor and seek personal injuries,vet fees,etc etc etc.i would sue them into the next world!ok rant over!!!
) W do put our dogs on a lead whilst walking past people, its common courtesy, but to say our breed of dog should not be let off the lead whilst in public is ridiculous. You can just as easily get a nasty lab for example, why should our breed suffer and not be allowed to have fun?
OMG!!! You are unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: How on earth can you say rotties, staffs, etc should be on lead all time or MUZZLED !!!!!! :rant: I wish there were more owners of these breeds on here to back me up cause you are soooooooooo wrong!JOHNG said:ANY breed could kill or cause injury, and as for your comment about they are too dangerous to be let off the lead IM GOBSMACKED!! Why should all breeds lso called 'dangerous breeds' not be allowed to have fun and freedom like others??Just because of some incidents by other dogs! you are tarring all with the same brush!
well i have to agree with kris staffies ,rotties,etc should be on a lead at all times or better still muzzled they can snap at any time the woman's staffie that attacked chloe was'nt on a lead i was 60/70 yds away but when it saw the dogs it made straight for them like john weir said i also had toe-caps on and i kicked it 2or3 times once right under the jaw but it made no difference it was'nt interested in me just determined to get one of the dogs sadly it was poor chloe, the owner was shouting for it to come back but it took no notice, since that attack i have noticed there seems to be a lot more of the breed around here and on a few occasions i have seen 10/11 year old kids out with them
A refreshing change to see another member who understands these breeds. What happened to poor Cloe was wrong and no one was to blame but a very bad owner. Ive had staffs for over 50 years non have ever harmed a child or animal. I would not have a staff in the house with my 5 whippets if thay were dangous, He is fast asleep with my 15 year old whippet as I post. Just look at Jades post no breed is any different from the other, thay all need to be kept under control.whippynit said:OMG!!! You are unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: How on earth can you say rotties, staffs, etc should be on lead all time or MUZZLED !!!!!! :rant: I wish there were more owners of these breeds on here to back me up cause you are soooooooooo wrong!JOHNG said:ANY breed could kill or cause injury, and as for your comment about they are too dangerous to be let off the lead IM GOBSMACKED!! Why should all breeds lso called 'dangerous breeds' not be allowed to have fun and freedom like others??Just because of some incidents by other dogs! you are tarring all with the same brush!
well i have to agree with kris staffies ,rotties,etc should be on a lead at all times or better still muzzled they can snap at any time the woman's staffie that attacked chloe was'nt on a lead i was 60/70 yds away but when it saw the dogs it made straight for them like john weir said i also had toe-caps on and i kicked it 2or3 times once right under the jaw but it made no difference it was'nt interested in me just determined to get one of the dogs sadly it was poor chloe, the owner was shouting for it to come back but it took no notice, since that attack i have noticed there seems to be a lot more of the breed around here and on a few occasions i have seen 10/11 year old kids out with them
I wish you could meet our dogs and my dads Rotties- they are even frit to death of the cat!
reading about bad encounters with a breed of dog doesnt make me an expert.breeding,judging,showing,training and lecturing about dogs does.over 30 years experience actually(not atchully)the reason i dont let my dogs off the lead in public is because they are dogs not human beings.knowing dogs as i do, i know they cannot think about the consequences of their actions.i can remember the only dual champion bitch in a breed i was involved with for over 30 years being run over and killed.the owner who was a highly experienced trainer/handler didnt feel the need to use a lead when out in public with his obedience champion bitch.as they approached a bridge over a stream where the road narrowed,his bitch whilst keeping her front paws on the pavement let her hindquarters and hind legs swing out onto the road.a car passing caught her and dragged her under the wheels and killed her.tragic accident.yes.but avoidable yes .it was because if the dog had been on the lead she would have been on the owners left,as she was walking at the side of him she was on his right and didnt understand that her hind legs and hindquarters had to be on the pavement also.after all she was a dog.so didnt think of this!i know another obedience champion who was killed on a road because a cat appeared out of nowhere and she gave chase.straight under a car.what im trying to get through to you is that dogs are animals not people.you cant and noone else can say in any given situation how a dog will react and what it will do.we cant do that with people so how can we do it with dogs?anyone who is so confident of their training methods that they can say 100% that they can do that well then all i can say is you are a much better person than i am.and i and a lot of other folk would like to know what majic method of training you employ,cos its obviously working so much better than anything ive ever seen in all my experience.good luck to you.you should write a best seller on your methods.ill be the first to purchase a copy.you so obviously 'know' your dogs as you say.you say why should your breed suffer and not have any fun.well go look at pics of chloe or any other dog who has been savaged and theirin lies your answer.free running for any breed relies on the owners and the dogs abilities and capabilities.and a lot of folk who own these breeds dont have any abilities,certainly not to be able to drag them off when they are in the middle of atttacking another dog.ive seen myself a staffy/cross that savaged an alsatian dog that was tied up and couldnt escape.to say it was a horrific scene doesnt do it justice.3 young men tried to drag it off.they couldnt despite repeated kicks and hits with bricks.eventually the owner, a local drug dealer tattooed,shaven headed and driving his souped up car pulled up and beat the dog unconscious in order to get it off the other dog.he then threw bricks at the alsatian as he was angry that he had to be called out in order to get his dog away.(the reason i know he was a local drug dealer is that i went to the police and the rspca and made a complaint about the dog and they told me who he was and to forget what id seen as the guy was dangerous and the owner of the alsatian was too scared to press any charges)whippynit said:If you had bothered to read my post correctly too you would also see that its a english bull we have , not a staffy for a start off and please do not insult my intelligance and experience either- I am not saying im an expert on the breed but unlike some people we do atchully research and read up upon a breed of dog or another other animal for that matter, before we consider purchasing one, and i wouldnt say that by witnessing/experiencing/hearing about a bad encounter about a certian type or breed of dog makes someone an expert either!
There are certian people around our way that are the stereotypical type with breeds like ours and i agree with your point that SOME people do buy them with no knowledge of dogs, just to 'look the part' with a 'hard dog' but what i totally disagree with is your comment that all breeds like this shouldnt be let off a lead in a public place! :angry: obviously if you personally dont let your dogs off in public then maybe you havent got the confidence in your dog that you have trained it suffienctly in recall, we have thank you and i 'know' my dogs which is what being a good, responsible owner is about.
Please dont use poor chloe as a crowbar
My friend had a staffy,and a retriever (ooohh they cant possibly be nasty, can they??) ran up to it unprovoked and attacked the staffie leaving it blind and braindamaged!
Maybe you should go to crufts and have alook at the bull terriers there..all wellbehaved and mingling with other dogs, and im sure alot of them wont be skinheads! Think they'd love to hear your views on their breed. :thumbsup:
Well said Kris!kris said:reading about bad encounters with a breed of dog doesnt make me an expert.breeding,judging,showing,training and lecturing about dogs does.over 30 years experience actually(not atchully)the reason i dont let my dogs off the lead in public is because they are dogs not human beings.knowing dogs as i do, i know they cannot think about the consequences of their actions.i can remember the only dual champion bitch in a breed i was involved with for over 30 years being run over and killed.the owner who was a highly experienced trainer/handler didnt feel the need to use a lead when out in public with his obedience champion bitch.as they approached a bridge over a stream where the road narrowed,his bitch whilst keeping her front paws on the pavement let her hindquarters and hind legs swing out onto the road.a car passing caught her and dragged her under the wheels and killed her.tragic accident.yes.but avoidable yes .it was because if the dog had been on the lead she would have been on the owners left,as she was walking at the side of him she was on his right and didnt understand that her hind legs and hindquarters had to be on the pavement also.after all she was a dog.so didnt think of this!i know another obedience champion who was killed on a road because a cat appeared out of nowhere and she gave chase.straight under a car.what im trying to get through to you is that dogs are animals not people.you cant and noone else can say in any given situation how a dog will react and what it will do.we cant do that with people so how can we do it with dogs?anyone who is so confident of their training methods that they can say 100% that they can do that well then all i can say is you are a much better person than i am.and i and a lot of other folk would like to know what majic method of training you employ,cos its obviously working so much better than anything ive ever seen in all my experience.good luck to you.you should write a best seller on your methods.ill be the first to purchase a copy.you so obviously 'know' your dogs as you say.you say why should your breed suffer and not have any fun.well go look at pics of chloe or any other dog who has been savaged and theirin lies your answer.free running for any breed relies on the owners and the dogs abilities and capabilities.and a lot of folk who own these breeds dont have any abilities,certainly not to be able to drag them off when they are in the middle of atttacking another dog.ive seen myself a staffy/cross that savaged an alsatian dog that was tied up and couldnt escape.to say it was a horrific scene doesnt do it justice.3 young men tried to drag it off.they couldnt despite repeated kicks and hits with bricks.eventually the owner, a local drug dealer tattooed,shaven headed and driving his souped up car pulled up and beat the dog unconscious in order to get it off the other dog.he then threw bricks at the alsatian as he was angry that he had to be called out in order to get his dog away.(the reason i know he was a local drug dealer is that i went to the police and the rspca and made a complaint about the dog and they told me who he was and to forget what id seen as the guy was dangerous and the owner of the alsatian was too scared to press any charges)whippynit said:If you had bothered to read my post correctly too you would also see that its a english bull we have , not a staffy for a start off and please do not insult my intelligance and experience either- I am not saying im an expert on the breed but unlike some people we do atchully research and read up upon a breed of dog or another other animal for that matter, before we consider purchasing one, and i wouldnt say that by witnessing/experiencing/hearing about a bad encounter about a certian type or breed of dog makes someone an expert either!
There are certian people around our way that are the stereotypical type with breeds like ours and i agree with your point that SOME people do buy them with no knowledge of dogs, just to 'look the part' with a 'hard dog' but what i totally disagree with is your comment that all breeds like this shouldnt be let off a lead in a public place! :angry: obviously if you personally dont let your dogs off in public then maybe you havent got the confidence in your dog that you have trained it suffienctly in recall, we have thank you and i 'know' my dogs which is what being a good, responsible owner is about.
Please dont use poor chloe as a crowbar
My friend had a staffy,and a retriever (ooohh they cant possibly be nasty, can they??) ran up to it unprovoked and attacked the staffie leaving it blind and braindamaged!
Maybe you should go to crufts and have alook at the bull terriers there..all wellbehaved and mingling with other dogs, and im sure alot of them wont be skinheads! Think they'd love to hear your views on their breed. :thumbsup:
oh and by the way ive been going to crufts for over 30 years and i already know responsible owners of staffies,english bulls etc etc.ive bred dobermanns for over 30 years and i would not let them off the lead unless i was in an isolated place,my dogs werent savage,they were just dogs and i knew despite whatever training methods i employed there would always be the occasion that i hadnt counted on and a possible disaster could happen.being a responsible owner means thinking about other people and their dogs as well as yourself and your dogs and their 'fun' :thumbsup:
