Removing a dogs vocal cords... you read right!

[Teddy560]

Yes not good practise, by a long shot, but... in the case lfl mentioned how awful were the alternatives for all the dogs??
Just saying...

Agreed. The man would have been potentially homeless/jobless had he to relocate? Would he have been able to provide for his dogs then? It's not as easy as just moving. And then how difficult would it have been to rehome numerous working huskies into pet homes, I'm guessing sled racers looking for more dogs would be a lot lower than the already few pet home available to rescue dogs? It is of course, undesirable and totally for the benefit of humans, but I couldn't see another viable option in this case.

 

[PWDmum]

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I will never condone things that I feel are universally cruel or even simply neglectful, but in some specific circs, debarking, particularly partial debarking to reduce volume, & declawing to prevent serious infections in an immunocompromised owner, seem to me to make the best of very difficult situations.

- terry

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In what circumstances would be declawing acceptable, I could understand a vet removing A claw due to serious infection, but that would be the only reason, is there still a practice of declawing cats in the US by owners who don’t like cats scratching furniture and fabrics.....

Removing vocal cords to stop a dog barking is barbaric as is declawing, thank god it is not allowed here .

 

[Kara 1]

De clawing a cat is Barbaric ...the cats feel extreme pain afterwards ...its the equivalent to a human having their fingers cut off at the knuckles. ...most cats wake up in pain are Never pain free ....
Why would anyone with an autoimmune disorder have a cat if they were worried about being clawed
Read PETAS campaign to STOP this barbaric act ....

 

[leashedForLife]

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Jeepers, @kara, that was NOT “my” cat.
I’m sorry it is so upsetting to U, but i was there to help them with their dog’s unwanted behaviors, not to judge their personal ethics & find them to be appallingly callous people.

What would U prefer his wife to do, after over 20-years of marriage & 2 children, when he was diagnosed with an auto-immune disease, a year or so after the death of their 1st much-loved cat?
Divorce him, so she could have another cat with all 20 claws?... that seems to me a bit extreme.

I know what the anatomy of declaw surgery involves; I am not promoting it as a casual choice.
Sheesh. // Life is full of complicated messy situations, & each of us has to try to solve them as best we can.
Rushing to metaphorically lynch someone for their personal choices, when they are stuck in one of those complex dilemmas, seems very harsh. She didn’t ask for her spouse to join the small army of folks who must worry about every microbe; they microwave their kitchen sponge daily, & compost it bi-weekly (it’s cellulose). Their lives are full of such petty complications, day in & year out, for as long as her hubby lives. It’s not easy.

I would never declaw a cat of my own - but then again, I have the current privilege of NOT being immunocompromised. // Plus, *SoftTips* didn’t even exist when I met this couple - that is another more-recent option to stop cats scratching, both to attack or injure humans, & to attack or injure one’s possessions.
I’ve seen the incredible damage one small terrified or furious cat can inflict in seconds, & personally I rate an angry cat as more-dangerous than 95% of large dogs. The dog *COULD* kill U, but s/he is very unlikely to attempt it, whilst the average cat can kill U with one casual puncture, & the subsequent raging infection.
As a multi species trainer, I don’t underestimate the real risks of dogs’ teeth vs cats’ claws & their needlelike teeth; a cat is many, many times more-likely to put me on IV-antibiotics in a hospital bed than is any dog.

- terry

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[Kara 1]

I wasnt judging you i just wanted people to realise how barbaric it is to declaw a cat and alot of ethical vets would rather rehome a cat or even have it PTS than declaw it ..and IMO nothing justifies declawing a cat ...when you post threads on any forum you must realise that somepeople will be passionate about animal welfare. ..i certainly wasnt lynching anyone

 

[PWDmum]

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Jeepers, @kara,
I’ve seen the incredible damage one small terrified or furious cat can inflict in seconds, & personally I rate an angry cat as more-dangerous than 95% of large dogs. The dog *COULD* kill U, but s/he is very unlikely to attempt it, whilst the average cat can kill U with one casual puncture, & the subsequent raging infection.
As a multi species trainer, I don’t underestimate the real risks of dogs’ teeth vs cats’ claws & their needlelike teeth; a cat is many, many times more-likely to put me on IV-antibiotics in a hospital bed than is any dog.

- terry

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Are you really defending declawing a cat just incase it might scratch you and put you on an IV drip, why not remove all its teeth as well, just incase it might bite..... I `m sorry, but your explanations of why these people feel the need to do what they do is inexcusable, it just shows you what people will excuse in the name of animal well being. the cat should have been rehomed, as with the dog, if you are thinking of such extremes then that dog / cat is not in the right home.......end of!!! , who in their right mind would defend removing a cats claws due to fear of infection to the human.

 

[leashedForLife]

QUOTE, "PWDmum:

... who in their RIGHT MIND would defend removing a cat’s claws, due to fear of infection to the human(?)
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Sorry - I thought I explained that HER HUSBAND’S IMMUNOLOGIST did not “defend” declawing, he demanded that any cat they acquired, *be* declawed - in other words, he prescribed declawing FOR HIS PATIENT’S SAFETY. In his professional opinion, it was medically necessary.

Now, if U think his doctor was *not* in his right mind when he made that a requirement of cat ownership, that’s an entirely different discussion, & as neither of us are qualified as M.D.s with a Board-certified specialty in immunology, I don’t think we can argue with his medical opinion.

I am now going to retire from this thread. When the tone sounds, it will be 8:23-pm... bonggggg....
Good night, all.

- terry

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[Mad Murphy]

Id say a doctor swears an oath to 'do no harm' he should have advised NO CAT, not ok you can have a cat but please mutilate it..
Oh and if people are careful and clean pets can be kept in houses with immune deficiant patients without trouble. Says more about the people and their habits than the pet imo.

 

[PWDmum]

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Sorry - I thought I explained that HER HUSBAND’S IMMUNOLOGIST did not “defend” declawing, he demanded that any cat they acquired, *be* declawed - in other words, he prescribed declawing FOR HIS PATIENT’S SAFETY. In his professional opinion, it was medically necessary.

Now, if U think his doctor was *not* in his right mind when he made that a requirement of cat ownership, that’s an entirely different discussion, & as neither of us are qualified as M.D.s with a Board-certified specialty in immunology, I don’t think we can argue with his medical opinion.

I am now going to retire from this thread. When the tone sounds, it will be 8:23-pm... bonggggg....
Good night, all.

- terry

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You explained it perfectly, there was no misunderstanding

Maybe his doctor should have recommended or demanded the patient should have REHOMED the cat and prescribed they NEVER took an other into their home, given his qualifications as an M.D. , although why his degree in medicine should be respected for advising. cruelty to an animal is hard to justify, shame on him and shame on the vet who did it .......and shame on thenoowners who would put their animal through such barbaric procedure , just so he could keep it. I would hope any decent person would take into account their animals welfare first and put them first before resorting to such measures.