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im so sorry about your son tanya....i too have a very disabled 11yr old son and i know how hard it is to juggle love and time
best of luck for the future
kaz x
best of luck for the future
kaz x
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kirs said:Hello Tanya,
It was I who started this thread so I must apologise.
Because I had been looking for an Ig for ages I had spoken to just about everybody who breeds them and the 'going' price was about £300 - £500. So admittedly I was shocked when I saw what you were asking for a 6 month old pup.
I agree with everything you have said about the way Ig breeders are with the public asking and enquiring about Igs. I have had a lot of wasted phonecalls where they take your telephone number and promise to call you back when they have, or hear about a litter and so far no-one ever has. The majority told me that I sounded like a suitable person to own an Ig so I don't understand the problem. They are very protective of 'their' breed and don't seem to want newcomers getting involved. So unfortuantely I do understand why there is a market for backstreet breeders!
I have to agree with you about the price factor & most breeders being very protective about the breed & quite rightly so BUT totally disagree with you as far as not wanting newcomers to become involved.
This is exactly what i mean when i said in an earlier post sometimes things can be taken the wrong way& misconstrued
Here are a few facts to try & help people understand not only the breed but most reputable breeders motives.
1. IG's on the whole normally produce litters of 3 - 5, sometimes just 1 or 2, its unusual or although not unheard of for bitches to produce more than 5.
2. Like a lot of breeds most people always want bitches & a breeder is lucky normally to get 1 or 2, which most breeders want to keep at least 1 to continue their line & they normally have an excess of people waiting.
3. Most IG's breeders breed rarely, only when they want something to show themselves knowing there just isn't a huge pet market for pups & finding the RIGHT homes is extremely difficult, anyone can sell a puppy but with IG's not every home is necessarily the RIGHT home.
4. Most IG breeders will welcome newcomers if they are SUITABLE people with open arms but unfortunately dont always have the quantity of puppies to go around.
5. What a lot of people fail to understand is that although they may look like a greyhound in miniature or someones idea of a small whippet they are a TOY breed & with that carry the pitfalls of a lot of other Toys.
6. They are extremeley hard to housetrain, because of their dislike of the cold, damp, any kind of breeze let alone a wind. You can put them out in the garden for as long as you like, most will stand shivering at the door, come straight back in & do their business in the warm thank you very much.
7. It stands to reason with legs that long & that fine their is going to be a fragility factor there, BUT coincide that with an IG's nature to want to climb like a monkey, leap into mid air when you are least expecting it & expect to be caught by you plus leaping from one item of furniture to another, it takes a hell of a lot of care & supervision to do all you can to try & ensure there are no accidents.
8. Simple things like a flight of stairs are absolutely a no no for an IG puppy. A small wall in a garden surrounding maybe a patio, with an IG pup you are gonna have to watch it like hell.
9. Laminate flooring where they can skid & break a bone is out.
10. A young child, who adores the pup picks it up & not quite ready for its mad wriggling & leaping out of your arms, result..............1 if not 2 broken legs.
11. Care & consideration has to be taken if there is a larger breed of dog in the household, it may have the most superb temperament in the world but a playful clash of bodies between the 2 can result in serious if not fatal injury for the IG.
12. They are definitely NOT a breed that thrive well in a kennel situation, however fantastic & all mod cons the kennel may be. They thrive on human contact & constant companionship.
Most breeders are totally honest with potential owners & will tell them the downfalls & pitfalls of the breed as well as the good points being that they are one of the most lovable, affectionate, graceful,elegant & charming of breeds BUT they can be highly strung, completely potty, high maintenance where care & supervision is involved & not the cleanest of breeds.
Some people decide to go ahead some dont & of those percentage that do i would say from personal experience maybe 20-25% continue with the breed & the other percentage dont because they simply cant cope with either the broken leg factor or the dirtiness. This is why to this day the breed is still so numerically small & in a lot of ways thankfully has not become commercialised.
All i'm trying to say is with a breed like ours there are so many things to consider that perhaps breeders of a larger sturdier breed would not have to.
What may appear to you as a rude & snotty breeder may well be someone who is just trying to ask the right questions & ensure the right kind of a home for a very special puppy.
I know from personal experience, i have been lucky from 16 years of breeding & showing this breed i have only ever parted with 5 pups & all have lived out happy loving lives with their owners BUT in doing so i have driven hundreds & hundreds of miles vetting potential homes only to be dissappointed & having to dissappoint potential owners, spent 100 of hours on the phone to potential owners plus monetary costs. But its been worth it to know that the few i have parted with have all been or are all safe still.
Other breeders have not been so lucky & as careful & honest as they have tried to be have had dogs returned to them at a later date either nervous wrecks where they have been shouted at & hit constantly for being dirty or with broken legs, tails etc & the owner can not cope.
Yes we are protective of our breed BUT any newcomer is more than welcome if after being told the truth they are still dedicated enough to love, cherish & keep one of our breed.
Nina
nina said:kirs said:Hello Tanya,
It was I who started this thread so I must apologise.
Because I had been looking for an Ig for ages I had spoken to just about everybody who breeds them and the 'going' price was about £300 - £500. So admittedly I was shocked when I saw what you were asking for a 6 month old pup.
I agree with everything you have said about the way Ig breeders are with the public asking and enquiring about Igs. I have had a lot of wasted phonecalls where they take your telephone number and promise to call you back when they have, or hear about a litter and so far no-one ever has. The majority told me that I sounded like a suitable person to own an Ig so I don't understand the problem. They are very protective of 'their' breed and don't seem to want newcomers getting involved. So unfortuantely I do understand why there is a market for backstreet breeders!
I have to agree with you about the price factor & most breeders being very protective about the breed & quite rightly so BUT totally disagree with you as far as not wanting newcomers to become involved.
This is exactly what i mean when i said in an earlier post sometimes things can be taken the wrong way& misconstrued
Here are a few facts to try & help people understand not only the breed but most reputable breeders motives.
1. IG's on the whole normally produce litters of 3 - 5, sometimes just 1 or 2, its unusual or although not unheard of for bitches to produce more than 5.
2. Like a lot of breeds most people always want bitches & a breeder is lucky normally to get 1 or 2, which most breeders want to keep at least 1 to continue their line & they normally have an excess of people waiting.
3. Most IG's breeders breed rarely, only when they want something to show themselves knowing there just isn't a huge pet market for pups & finding the RIGHT homes is extremely difficult, anyone can sell a puppy but with IG's not every home is necessarily the RIGHT home.
4. Most IG breeders will welcome newcomers if they are SUITABLE people with open arms but unfortunately dont always have the quantity of puppies to go around.
5. What a lot of people fail to understand is that although they may look like a greyhound in miniature or someones idea of a small whippet they are a TOY breed & with that carry the pitfalls of a lot of other Toys.
6. They are extremeley hard to housetrain, because of their dislike of the cold, damp, any kind of breeze let alone a wind. You can put them out in the garden for as long as you like, most will stand shivering at the door, come straight back in & do their business in the warm thank you very much.
7. It stands to reason with legs that long & that fine their is going to be a fragility factor there, BUT coincide that with an IG's nature to want to climb like a monkey, leap into mid air when you are least expecting it & expect to be caught by you plus leaping from one item of furniture to another, it takes a hell of a lot of care & supervision to do all you can to try & ensure there are no accidents.
8. Simple things like a flight of stairs are absolutely a no no for an IG puppy. A small wall in a garden surrounding maybe a patio, with an IG pup you are gonna have to watch it like hell.
9. Laminate flooring where they can skid & break a bone is out.
10. A young child, who adores the pup picks it up & not quite ready for its mad wriggling & leaping out of your arms, result..............1 if not 2 broken legs.
11. Care & consideration has to be taken if there is a larger breed of dog in the household, it may have the most superb temperament in the world but a playful clash of bodies between the 2 can result in serious if not fatal injury for the IG.
12. They are definitely NOT a breed that thrive well in a kennel situation, however fantastic & all mod cons the kennel may be. They thrive on human contact & constant companionship.
Most breeders are totally honest with potential owners & will tell them the downfalls & pitfalls of the breed as well as the good points being that they are one of the most lovable, affectionate, graceful,elegant & charming of breeds BUT they can be highly strung, completely potty, high maintenance where care & supervision is involved & not the cleanest of breeds.
Some people decide to go ahead some dont & of those percentage that do i would say from personal experience maybe 20-25% continue with the breed & the other percentage dont because they simply cant cope with either the broken leg factor or the dirtiness. This is why to this day the breed is still so numerically small & in a lot of ways thankfully has not become commercialised.
All i'm trying to say is with a breed like ours there are so many things to consider that perhaps breeders of a larger sturdier breed would not have to.
What may appear to you as a rude & snotty breeder may well be someone who is just trying to ask the right questions & ensure the right kind of a home for a very special puppy.
I know from personal experience, i have been lucky from 16 years of breeding & showing this breed i have only ever parted with 5 pups & all have lived out happy loving lives with their owners BUT in doing so i have driven hundreds & hundreds of miles vetting potential homes only to be dissappointed & having to dissappoint potential owners, spent 100 of hours on the phone to potential owners plus monetary costs. But its been worth it to know that the few i have parted with have all been or are all safe still.
Other breeders have not been so lucky & as careful & honest as they have tried to be have had dogs returned to them at a later date either nervous wrecks where they have been shouted at & hit constantly for being dirty or with broken legs, tails etc & the owner can not cope.
Yes we are protective of our breed BUT any newcomer is more than welcome if after being told the truth they are still dedicated enough to love, cherish & keep one of our breed.
Nina
nina said:I think we may all have learned alife lesson by this thread, yes i would like to stay around and be more involved with iggys when things have eased here, i have to take a step back at mo to spend time with thomas, anyone fancy setting up a wheelchair group?! perhaps if we all took time to understand varying views might ease confusion? Had a long chat with a lady today about the rescue and welfare side and after having a call from a gentleman willing to pay anything for 1 i could totally understand why there was a fear, maybe he was genuine and just loved and wanted one so bad that he was prepared to buy it at any price? I had a bad feeling though and got off the phone , i have informed the lady at rescue so please be aware? A wonderful lady rang me last week and has been down to view red, she brought her dog with her and i am happy to say that red has gone to the most perfect home, I couldnt have asked for a better home for him if i had a wish list! A few tears were shed and it brought home the reason for him going but i know i did it for the right reasons, just for the record i made no profit on red, in fact i lost money, but as i originally stated the home was the priority, when things ease here i am asked oyu all would you please help me begin to show blue, well im a totally novice at dog showing so if you all want a laugh im up for it! blue is staying within my family so i maintain a bond and maybe at some point return to having him fulltime again, so come on lets all start again and make new friends, with the added bonus that we all love our dogs and want only the best for them. glad this matter has been eased rapidly for i fear it was to get out of hand. you all have my number and id love to hear from you all. Regards tanya, mabel blue thomas and alfie Docwrakirs said:Hello Tanya,
It was I who started this thread so I must apologise.
Because I had been looking for an Ig for ages I had spoken to just about everybody who breeds them and the 'going' price was about £300 - £500. So admittedly I was shocked when I saw what you were asking for a 6 month old pup.
I agree with everything you have said about the way Ig breeders are with the public asking and enquiring about Igs. I have had a lot of wasted phonecalls where they take your telephone number and promise to call you back when they have, or hear about a litter and so far no-one ever has. The majority told me that I sounded like a suitable person to own an Ig so I don't understand the problem. They are very protective of 'their' breed and don't seem to want newcomers getting involved. So unfortuantely I do understand why there is a market for backstreet breeders!
I have to agree with you about the price factor & most breeders being very protective about the breed & quite rightly so BUT totally disagree with you as far as not wanting newcomers to become involved.
This is exactly what i mean when i said in an earlier post sometimes things can be taken the wrong way& misconstrued
Here are a few facts to try & help people understand not only the breed but most reputable breeders motives.
1. IG's on the whole normally produce litters of 3 - 5, sometimes just 1 or 2, its unusual or although not unheard of for bitches to produce more than 5.
2. Like a lot of breeds most people always want bitches & a breeder is lucky normally to get 1 or 2, which most breeders want to keep at least 1 to continue their line & they normally have an excess of people waiting.
3. Most IG's breeders breed rarely, only when they want something to show themselves knowing there just isn't a huge pet market for pups & finding the RIGHT homes is extremely difficult, anyone can sell a puppy but with IG's not every home is necessarily the RIGHT home.
4. Most IG breeders will welcome newcomers if they are SUITABLE people with open arms but unfortunately dont always have the quantity of puppies to go around.
5. What a lot of people fail to understand is that although they may look like a greyhound in miniature or someones idea of a small whippet they are a TOY breed & with that carry the pitfalls of a lot of other Toys.
6. They are extremeley hard to housetrain, because of their dislike of the cold, damp, any kind of breeze let alone a wind. You can put them out in the garden for as long as you like, most will stand shivering at the door, come straight back in & do their business in the warm thank you very much.
7. It stands to reason with legs that long & that fine their is going to be a fragility factor there, BUT coincide that with an IG's nature to want to climb like a monkey, leap into mid air when you are least expecting it & expect to be caught by you plus leaping from one item of furniture to another, it takes a hell of a lot of care & supervision to do all you can to try & ensure there are no accidents.
8. Simple things like a flight of stairs are absolutely a no no for an IG puppy. A small wall in a garden surrounding maybe a patio, with an IG pup you are gonna have to watch it like hell.
9. Laminate flooring where they can skid & break a bone is out.
10. A young child, who adores the pup picks it up & not quite ready for its mad wriggling & leaping out of your arms, result..............1 if not 2 broken legs.
11. Care & consideration has to be taken if there is a larger breed of dog in the household, it may have the most superb temperament in the world but a playful clash of bodies between the 2 can result in serious if not fatal injury for the IG.
12. They are definitely NOT a breed that thrive well in a kennel situation, however fantastic & all mod cons the kennel may be. They thrive on human contact & constant companionship.
Most breeders are totally honest with potential owners & will tell them the downfalls & pitfalls of the breed as well as the good points being that they are one of the most lovable, affectionate, graceful,elegant & charming of breeds BUT they can be highly strung, completely potty, high maintenance where care & supervision is involved & not the cleanest of breeds.
Some people decide to go ahead some dont & of those percentage that do i would say from personal experience maybe 20-25% continue with the breed & the other percentage dont because they simply cant cope with either the broken leg factor or the dirtiness. This is why to this day the breed is still so numerically small & in a lot of ways thankfully has not become commercialised.
All i'm trying to say is with a breed like ours there are so many things to consider that perhaps breeders of a larger sturdier breed would not have to.
What may appear to you as a rude & snotty breeder may well be someone who is just trying to ask the right questions & ensure the right kind of a home for a very special puppy.
I know from personal experience, i have been lucky from 16 years of breeding & showing this breed i have only ever parted with 5 pups & all have lived out happy loving lives with their owners BUT in doing so i have driven hundreds & hundreds of miles vetting potential homes only to be dissappointed & having to dissappoint potential owners, spent 100 of hours on the phone to potential owners plus monetary costs. But its been worth it to know that the few i have parted with have all been or are all safe still.
Other breeders have not been so lucky & as careful & honest as they have tried to be have had dogs returned to them at a later date either nervous wrecks where they have been shouted at & hit constantly for being dirty or with broken legs, tails etc & the owner can not cope.
Yes we are protective of our breed BUT any newcomer is more than welcome if after being told the truth they are still dedicated enough to love, cherish & keep one of our breed.
Nina
Thank you, do you mind me asked how your son is disabled? Thomas has cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus ( fluid on the brain ) epilepsy and now has this unknown mass? but besides that a grumpy male teenager! Has good speech and communication skills but they now seem to be lost in that strange creature known as the teenager! The chap in the chair in the little britain series, well i swaer they modelled that on tom! I had a rescue ebt x dalmation bitch that could sense when tom was about to fit, she slept in his room, sdly she was put down last year to advanced cancer, ugliest dog you could ever met but what a family dog, could trust her with a newborn baby, can say enough good things about her. She was due to be put down because she was classed as aggresive! all she did wasbark and spin when she saw you coz she was pleased to see you! I had a few behaviourial problems with thomas when we lost her because they had such a bond, what dogs do you have?fordkaz3412@aol.com said:im so sorry about your son tanya....i too have a very disabled 11yr old son and i know how hard it is to juggle love and timebest of luck for the future
kaz x
Congratulations on your new addition! Not had ig for vey long but can tell you that they are all i wished for and more! real little bundles of zip and energy and i took close advice from my vet all the time, and wasnt afraid to ask silly questions if it meant my dogs would benefit, as you can see from this thread people are very protective of the breed and arent afraid to say so, please dont be put off as you can see from the thread thay will try to help you if you ask in the correct manner? good luck in your search and hope you are successful~Sarah~ said:I've been away for a few days visiting my grandson on his first birthday, so missed this thread.
I would just like to welcome you to K9 Tanya, and hope that all your difficulties at home are soon resolved. :luck: :luck: It's a real pity that things got off on the 'wrong foot' for you, but hope that you stay with us. It is a great site and very informative, with loads of helpful folk.
I don't have an Iggie (but would love one someday), but it's great reading all about the little angels oo
(or is that devils!!). :devil: :devil:
hi sorry for the delayTanya Docwra said:Thank you, do you mind me asked how your son is disabled? Thomas has cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus ( fluid on the brain ) epilepsy and now has this unknown mass? but besides that a grumpy male teenager! Has good speech and communication skills but they now seem to be lost in that strange creature known as the teenager! The chap in the chair in the little britain series, well i swaer they modelled that on tom! I had a rescue ebt x dalmation bitch that could sense when tom was about to fit, she slept in his room, sdly she was put down last year to advanced cancer, ugliest dog you could ever met but what a family dog, could trust her with a newborn baby, can say enough good things about her. She was due to be put down because she was classed as aggresive! all she did wasbark and spin when she saw you coz she was pleased to see you! I had a few behaviourial problems with thomas when we lost her because they had such a bond, what dogs do you have?fordkaz3412@aol.com said:im so sorry about your son tanya....i too have a very disabled 11yr old son and i know how hard it is to juggle love and timebest of luck for the future
kaz x
I used to have an old ebtxdally and she always warned me when thomas was about to have a fit, also had an unruly mare who was lovely but had her own little ways shall we say and if she was ever on one as you might say, we would ask thomas to call her and she would calm instantly and whicker at him! sometimes I could lead her but thomas always could either from his knees or from the chair, in fact my friends 4yr old daughter wandered into the field and was found clinging to heidis front legs and heidi was baring her teeth to the other horses warning them it was her job to protect the little human! Animals will always scent out good and bad people, my whippet circles the pram when we go for a walk and is very protective of alfie and i think back to worrying whether she would accept him, now i know she loves him. animals are good judges and i trust my animals instinctsfordkaz3412@aol.com said:thanks for your kind words :huggles: i do think animals can sense these things after all you can train dogs to alert their owner that they are about to have an epileptic seizure and dogs that can sniff out cancerous tumours etc....so it would make perfect sense to me that thay know more about us than we know about ourselves!
kaz :lol:
kids amaze me what they deal and cope with! you will know the proudness we feel when they come through yet again and defy the odds! I bet your the same as me and tell your animals all your woes and worries? I dont know where id be without my boys and animals, i feel that special people are chosen to have special kids and im very proud of my son and what ive learnt from him, the world is totally different through a special childs eyesfordkaz3412@aol.com said:hi sorry for the delayTanya Docwra said:Thank you, do you mind me asked how your son is disabled? Thomas has cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus ( fluid on the brain ) epilepsy and now has this unknown mass? but besides that a grumpy male teenager! Has good speech and communication skills but they now seem to be lost in that strange creature known as the teenager! The chap in the chair in the little britain series, well i swaer they modelled that on tom! I had a rescue ebt x dalmation bitch that could sense when tom was about to fit, she slept in his room, sdly she was put down last year to advanced cancer, ugliest dog you could ever met but what a family dog, could trust her with a newborn baby, can say enough good things about her. She was due to be put down because she was classed as aggresive! all she did wasbark and spin when she saw you coz she was pleased to see you! I had a few behaviourial problems with thomas when we lost her because they had such a bond, what dogs do you have?fordkaz3412@aol.com said:im so sorry about your son tanya....i too have a very disabled 11yr old son and i know how hard it is to juggle love and timebest of luck for the future
kaz x
i have a whippet anddue to get another one very soon
my son has cerebral palsy and epilepsy and he is autistic...he has had heart surgery and a liver bypass and is a beautiful brave boy who i love dearly....my dog seems to sense his difficulties sometimes im sure
kaz
Do you mind me asking if you are getting all the support available? I ask because I never asked for help and now when i need it most because i didnt ask in the beginning im entitled to so little, 1 week respite per year and 3 1hr sessions for bathing per week, not much when you think about it! I have no partner and his dad sees him once a year so i do it alone, and i no how helpless you can feel at times. If you ever want a chat or to sound off please ring me 01493 445655, only a call awayfordkaz3412@aol.com said:hi sorry for the delayTanya Docwra said:Thank you, do you mind me asked how your son is disabled? Thomas has cerebral palsy, hydrocephalus ( fluid on the brain ) epilepsy and now has this unknown mass? but besides that a grumpy male teenager! Has good speech and communication skills but they now seem to be lost in that strange creature known as the teenager! The chap in the chair in the little britain series, well i swaer they modelled that on tom! I had a rescue ebt x dalmation bitch that could sense when tom was about to fit, she slept in his room, sdly she was put down last year to advanced cancer, ugliest dog you could ever met but what a family dog, could trust her with a newborn baby, can say enough good things about her. She was due to be put down because she was classed as aggresive! all she did wasbark and spin when she saw you coz she was pleased to see you! I had a few behaviourial problems with thomas when we lost her because they had such a bond, what dogs do you have?fordkaz3412@aol.com said:im so sorry about your son tanya....i too have a very disabled 11yr old son and i know how hard it is to juggle love and timebest of luck for the future
kaz x
i have a whippet anddue to get another one very soon
my son has cerebral palsy and epilepsy and he is autistic...he has had heart surgery and a liver bypass and is a beautiful brave boy who i love dearly....my dog seems to sense his difficulties sometimes im sure
kaz
I have been born into a horsey family and i still manage to pick the cheeky monkeys is the polite way of putting it! the mare i was talking about i bought her from an auction, 1st mistake, what have i always been told! 2nd mistake, bought her not for breeding, stamp, ability,oh no far more silly than that! i bought her coz she had a wall eye! The horse that jumped out of the pen that i admired as i was buying a headcollar, yyep it was her! Ten days after buying my mare it dropped a colt foal! nearly got called bogof! that was never mentioned in the description of sale! the other horse i bought that day broke a bone in my neck! Aint i good at this! but the mare turned out to be a real star and she gave me my nerve back and before she broke her leg she jumped at towerlands with my friend who had her whilst i was pregnant, so not all bad just had her moments05whippet said:Can't horses be right b***dy pains in the proverbial (w00t) Don't you think Tanya
Ah,cheeky monkeys now we've got a few of them too (w00t)Tanya Docwra said:I have been born into a horsey family and i still manage to pick the cheeky monkeys is the polite way of putting it! the mare i was talking about i bought her from an auction, 1st mistake, what have i always been told! 2nd mistake, bought her not for breeding, stamp, ability,oh no far more silly than that! i bought her coz she had a wall eye! The horse that jumped out of the pen that i admired as i was buying a headcollar, yyep it was her! Ten days after buying my mare it dropped a colt foal! nearly got called bogof! that was never mentioned in the description of sale! the other horse i bought that day broke a bone in my neck! Aint i good at this! but the mare turned out to be a real star and she gave me my nerve back and before she broke her leg she jumped at towerlands with my friend who had her whilst i was pregnant, so not all bad just had her moments05whippet said:Can't horses be right b***dy pains in the proverbial (w00t) Don't you think Tanya