A Rant In The Morning........!

[~elizabeth~]

I bet their kids are equaly as well behaved as well?.

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Dunno, but their bloody chickens are wandering all over the Common too :angry: :wacko: :lol:

 

[jezza]

Moriarte, I would love to socialise my dogs with others, but I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of owners that just don't seem to care that their dogs are ou of control. The whippets are my first dogs so I don't think I've ever seen anything different, or unless its always been like that round here :angry:

Pat, I would love to let Lenny have a play with your dogs but it would have to be one at a time! I think he would definately be scared of Molly and Kiplin :lol: but I think he might like phoebe or millie :huggles: I think I told you but we took him out with my Mollys mum and sister, he was ok with her mum but snapped at her sister (w00t) all in all, not too bad though. He seems to recognise his own kind though. Why the divorce???

 

[~elizabeth~]

Moriarte, I would love to socialise my dogs with others, but I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of owners that just don't seem to care that their  dogs are ou of control. The whippets are my first dogs so I don't think I've ever seen anything different, or unless its always been like that round here  :angry:

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I think we've been very lucky here. I know it's very dependent on the area though. I'm a lot more wary when I go to Swansea, as Gelert's been bitten twice there. Unfortunately keeping him on a lead hasn't helped, as other dogs have just run up and gone for him without warning Even though you can try to avoid dogs in open areas, you still have to go through park gates which seem to be flare points for some dogs, and a lot of people seem to have their off lead all the time ( why do lab owners NEVER seem to have their dogs on a lead, even on busy pavements? I have asked actually and they always say 'oh, he just pulls too much and he walks to heel so well" :- " )

Having had the bad experience with the rowdy gundog mob, puppy then went on to meet a large group consisting of a Basset, several shihtzus, a westie and a couple of jrts and was in absolute heaven playing with them. :wub:

 

[Nicola]

Mine went up and said hello

IMO ALL dogs should be kept on leads in Public parks, all the parks near us have signs up to that effect?

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I disagree. For city and town dwellers, the park is the only place dogs can get their daily exercise.

Dog owners just need to be educated in when to keep dogs on lead. If their dog has poor recall and is an unfriendly dog, then it stays on the lead. If the dog has good recall and is non-agressive to other dogs then it can be let off.

I let Fred off lead and keep Stan on the lead in the park. Fred's recall is good (except where livestock is involved, but i'm not worried about squirrels in the park), so he can be trusted to come back when I spot a dog I'm unsure about. Can't say the same for Stan....he's an annoying little wind up merchant at times :- " Luckily I can get out into the Peak District for longer walks at weekends.

It's so simple, yet some dog owners just spoil it for everyone else. :angry:

 

[fallenangel]

I do think its the arie you live in we are surouned by inbreed chavs and there muppet girlfrnds and scrot faced kids all waking round with some big stock dog on a lead with loeads of chaine and brass hanging off them. the other dog owners seams to be dizzy old bats with nutty collies that they never put leads on watch or pick up after plues the yorkshire terrer bregad who thing cos its a smale dogs its ok to nip yap growle and snarl ant anything it sees 2 legged or 4

 

[Trish]

Moriarte, I would love to socialise my dogs with others, but I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of owners that just don't seem to care that their  dogs are ou of control. The whippets are my first dogs so I don't think I've ever seen anything different, or unless its always been like that round here  :angry:
Pat, I would love to let Lenny have a play with your dogs but it would have to be one at a time! I think he would definately be scared of Molly and Kiplin  :lol:   but I think he might like phoebe or millie  :huggles:   I think I told you but we took him out with my Mollys mum and sister, he was ok with her mum but snapped at her sister  (w00t)   all in all, not too bad though. He seems to recognise his own kind though. Why the divorce???

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you know i did my back in,well it went again yesterday and im so annoyed because i carnt do the housework like i want to do it argghh.and grahams not much help

 

[~JO~]

I do think its the arie you live in we are surouned by inbreed chavs and there muppet girlfrnds and scrot faced kids all waking round with some big stock dog on a lead with loeads of chaine and brass hanging off them. the other dog owners seams to be dizzy old bats with nutty collies that they never put leads on watch or pick up after plues the yorkshire terrer bregad who thing cos its a smale dogs its ok to nip yap growle and snarl ant anything it sees 2 legged or 4

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:lol: :lol: :lol: So true in so many cases... although I'd hate to generalise

 

[~elizabeth~]

I do think its the arie you live in we are surouned by inbreed chavs and there muppet girlfrnds and scrot faced kids all waking round with some big stock dog on a lead with loeads of chaine and brass hanging off them.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Spot on! :thumbsup: The park in Swansea is a bit like that nowadays, unfortunately. Met some tiny kids with a huge Dogue de Bordeaux who came straight out with 'our dog's gonna kill yours'. :angry:

 

[~Helen~]

Mine went up and said hello

IMO ALL dogs should be kept on leads in Public parks, all the parks near us have signs up to that effect?

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I disagree. For city and town dwellers, the park is the only place dogs can get their daily exercise.

Dog owners just need to be educated in when to keep dogs on lead. If their dog has poor recall and is an unfriendly dog, then it stays on the lead. If the dog has good recall and is non-agressive to other dogs then it can be let off.

I let Fred off lead and keep Stan on the lead in the park. Fred's recall is good (except where livestock is involved, but i'm not worried about squirrels in the park), so he can be trusted to come back when I spot a dog I'm unsure about. Can't say the same for Stan....he's an annoying little wind up merchant at times :- " Luckily I can get out into the Peak District for longer walks at weekends.

It's so simple, yet some dog owners just spoil it for everyone else. :angry:

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This is more or less what I was going to say - when a group of well-trained dogs are socialising in the park and running around together it's lovely to watch and so great for their social skills. If they were on leads all the time, I don't think you'd get that, and you'd end up with a lot of unsocialised dogs who didn't know how to behave (unless they live in a multi-dog household and then the dynamics are different anyway). However, you do have to be ultra-aware of who else is around and I think if you use a park regularly you can gauge who's who and get to know people and their dogs. Mine had a wonderful run in the park this morning with two lurchers and a collie. We'd never met before, but all the owners were very careful, checking with each other if it was okay for a run around.

It's only a few that spoil it, depending on where you are.

Personally I don't think Pimmscass should beat herself up over this. She wasn't really in the wrong. In my view, the pointer owners should have been more aware of the effect their dogs were having and had more control. The issue is control - if you can control your dog by a combination of voice and lead, then there really shouldn't be a problem.

I almost had an incident the other day with a black lab who was giving out all kinds of aggressive body language. My dogs were on leads. The lab wasn't on a lead.

The owner said "He's alright, he just wants to play".

Sorry, but that stiff-up tail, hackles, and dead-eye stance aren't saying 'play' to me!!

edited to add, this wasn't in the park but on a public footpath through a field.

As Nicola said, it's education

 

[kris]

i wouldnt really call pointers huge massive dogs!or intimidating! (w00t)   :lol: and every pointer ive ever met was daft as a brush and twice as friendly! i dont let mine off the lead in public cos you cant say its allright for your dogs to be off the lead and not anyone elses. any dog thats off the lead could be a potential fright for someone who doesnt like dogs or for small children or elderly people.just cos its your baby doesnt mean that everyone else looks at it that way.after all the lady who owns the pointer  thinks he/she is her baby but you dont see it that way.

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there is a pointer that walks where we go who is definately not as daft as abrush, it hates other dogs & will attackthem which the woman who walks admits but it is never on a lead!! she has a other 4 dogs none on leads & none that she has any control over, lots of people have complained about her & she takes no notice, i always put tia on her lead as soon as i see other dog

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well as i said every pointer ive met and ive met loads of them at shows over the years and also had a friend who was a top breeder in pointers and ive never seen any aggresssion in the DOGS IVE MET.however this doesnt mean that all pointers in the world are the same.i didnt say that. if you know one thats aggressive then its like anything, you meet aggressive beagles,spaniels,labs,goldens etc etc.aggression isnt confined to just the guarding breeds or breeds that are renowned for bad temperament :thumbsup: thats another reason why i always keep my dogs on the lead,you just never know if that nice fluffy little dog isnt going to rip into your dog.some dogs unfortunately, like people, have psychological problems,mainly cos of how theyve been brought up.if someone has psychological or aggressive problems themselves then chances are their dog might be the same.if a dog hasnt had the opportunity to be properly socialised then chances are it will give out the wrong body language signals to another better socialised dog and might provoke aggression cos its not behaving how a well brought up properly socialised dog would behave so it makes the well adjusted dog nervous which in turn might make the unsocialised dog more nervous.do you see what im saying? :wacko:

 

[jezza]

Moriarte, I would love to socialise my dogs with others, but I agree with you that there seems to be a lot of owners that just don't seem to care that their  dogs are ou of control. The whippets are my first dogs so I don't think I've ever seen anything different, or unless its always been like that round here  :angry:
Pat, I would love to let Lenny have a play with your dogs but it would have to be one at a time! I think he would definately be scared of Molly and Kiplin  :lol:   but I think he might like phoebe or millie  :huggles:   I think I told you but we took him out with my Mollys mum and sister, he was ok with her mum but snapped at her sister  (w00t)   all in all, not too bad though. He seems to recognise his own kind though. Why the divorce???

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you know i did my back in,well it went again yesterday and im so annoyed because i carnt do the housework like i want to do it argghh.and grahams not much help

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Oh, I thought it was that he was mad cos he'd just found out you spent 50 quid on dog jumpers :lol:

Hope you get better soon :flowers:

 

[Whippets Rule]

I was walking my Beagle across the local park(on my way to the woods),he was on his lead as always.

As i passed a group of people,a large black lab charged at us and kept having a go at my beagle.

I asked the owner to call his dog off and he told me "you should let your dog off its lead,then my boy would stop"

my reply was (shouted cos i was ruddy furious) " SO I SHOULD LET MY DOG OFF HIS LEAD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE F***ING BOTHERED TO CONTROL YOUR PET?????? W**KERS LIKE YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO OWN A DOG"

i realise i was pretty rude but i was seething because the lab kept grabbing my dog and making him yelp and the guy said it was my fault for having my dog on its lead :blink:

 

[~elizabeth~]

i realise i was pretty rude but i was seething because the lab kept grabbing my dog and making him yelp and the guy said it was my fault for having my dog on its lead :blink:

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As I said they all seem to be in denial that it's their dogs that are the problem. :wacko:

Notice the bolshy nervous pointer I mentioned earlier has been on a long training lead the last couple of times I've seen it, I think someone else must have dropped a hint. :- "

 

[imperative]

Chris and I walk or dogs in separate groups.They get too boisterous as a tribe,recall goes out of the window.As some of you know 3 of my dogs are under a year old.

When I take Scarlett for a walk around the local lake there are all kinds of dogs,some on leads some off.I use an extendable type lead which offers freedom with control.

Start of rant- Ready? :rant:

Right! there is one woman who walks her sons staff.HE IS ALWAYS OFF THE FREAKING LEAD!. This dog is soooooooooooooo naughty and when he spots Scarlett he lowers his body to ground and creeps up on us S.A.S STYLE!(must admit I have to try hard at this point not to laugh at his antics).

But seriously, he seems vicious and trys to attack my girl.Poor scarlett is a Viszla and same size as pointer she gets so scared and wants me to pick her up.

The owner is always miles behind shouting at the dog to come back.It never listens.He beat up an old lab the other day I found both the elderly dog and elderly owner cowering by the local bowling green trying to avoid the naughty dog.The last time I saw him I scolded him in a very growly voice,AND THE LITTLE GIT RAN OFF! :lol: .Scarlett was impressed! :* .

Now this woman keeps him on lead.I spoke to her in growly voice too...........

IMO it is the owner usually at fault.Perhaps the dog in its own mind is playing,however its a really peeve when other dogs disturbe your walk epecially when you trying to train your own dog to be a good doggy citizen.