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I can imagine that could be quite fun!! (in a sad kind of way ;) !)

Hi gypsysmum2. I am rather disappointed that you have not seen a poo pattern! I thought I'd be able to work something out and therefore craft the schedule to my puppy's advantage for night poos! Don't think any of your issues with your night pooer are common to mine! So can't be of any help...

Thank you gypsysmum2! So helpful to have different angles on these things. I have treated lavishly for all poos since day one. However i have not clicked for them and I do ask him to come to me, because there is a problem with him eating them, so I need get him away from the poo first! I...

Thank you. It is good to have options. Will aim for the crate route first as we want to be shot of the playpen if possible but if the problem persists (now we know we need to do more toileting at night) I will revert to crate+playpen option. i was just worried that he seemed slightly too...

yes that makes absolute sense to me, thank you. Will retrain...

Yes I wondered about that too but we have been saying 'quick quick' for so long for both Number 1s and Number 2s I didn't want to confuse him!!

JoanneF thank you for your patience and good humour! You are right about the pub! That is definitely the best conclusion to come from this. And yes, I think changing his last feed could help... I think I will go back to the the crate with the door locked again but respond (with a short pause...

What is your four/five month puppy feeding schedule? How does that tie in with poo-times (sorry to be graphic) - particularly at night? Do you walk in order to get puppy to poo? Finally, do you alter food quantities as part of schedule e.g. more food at morning meals? My 4.5 month old puppy...

What is your four/five month puppy feeding schedule? How does that tie in with poo-times (sorry to be graphic) - particularly at night? Do you walk in order to get puppy to poo? Finally, do you alter food quantities as part of schedule e.g. more food at morning meals? My 4.5 month old puppy...

DISASTER STRUCK!!! But interesting. So we put him to sleep in crate with door shut but not locked, opening into playpen. My partner had to get up very early (5) this morning so it wasn't the best experiment in terms of sleep/waking barking but all the same very interesting. He came down...

Ok thank you JoanneF and spaniel mad! I will give it a go tonight and let you know the results of the experiment. It will be the first night with crate door open since we got him at 8 weeks....

Thank you JoanneF and Excuseme. Hmmmm. After last night I am definitely considering abandoning the crate. Having him in our bedroom/upstairs is not a route we want to go down as we don't want to allow him upstairs in future (so don't want him up there ever, if you see what I mean). He will...

Ok so sorry to burden you with more minutiae... TERRIBLE night last night. He woke in crate barking at 4.15. We ignored. He barked continuously (literally) for an hour (I lay there thinking any minute he will pipe down). Then on and off for another e3 mins - possibly 80% barking with 20%...

Thank you! I will take all your advice and let you know how I get on. As you say - thank god he is sweet!!

THAT is amazingly fantastic! Thank you! I'm off to buy some liver! Brilliant.

Wow JoanneF that's great and I hope you haven't run out of charge on your phone writing it! I have trained the shush with a clicker and holding my finger up to mouth as I say it. He does shush to that when I am in the room. But I really don't think he will hear it if I say it from my bedroom...

JoanneF you are super-kind. Thank you so much. I realise my post has got a lot of issues in it!! I really appreciate the time / effort it must take to write the reply. Thank you very much indeed. I hope I have explained the situation clearly enough.

Thank you JoanneF that is (kind of) encouraging! What is liver cake and/or dried sausage? Sounds like I need some - the treats I am buying other than kibble are too pricey!

My four month old puppy is doing really well sleeping in his crate through the night and with the house training. He sleeps from 10.30-5 or 6 and is very sleepy in the evenings too - it's just we don't put him in his crate until 10.30 (after final wee in garden). His crate is covered and we...

Thank you so much for all your thoughts. Things are getting better. Maybe it's an age/exposure thing as well... We booked some walks with a dog walker for more socialisation with loads of dogs and he seems much calmer with other dogs now - happier to see them and want to play rather than...