Showing Desexed Dogs?

[Seraphina]

Here in Australia desexed dogs and bitches are not allowed to be exhibited in normal classes in Championship or Open Shows. Although I believe there is now some provision to allow separate class for neuters.

What are the regulations in other countries?

Lida

 

[JAX]

In UK you can show desexed dogs , but the KC need to be informed :- "

With bitches its obviously impossible to tell and if you show a castrated dog you are basically wasting your money .( my opinion ) for what it s worth :blink: I think you can have a certificate to show the judge to confirm that the dog DID had 2 testicles , but have never known any one doing it

 

[playawhile]

Hi!

In Sweden you can show a desexed dog as long as you have veterinary certificate stating that the dogs was "normal" before the operation.

Henrik Härling

 

[Cartman]

I think it is Ok to show these dogs. But only at a non competive level.

If we as the ones to promote the breed & so continue to improve it, can not do so with sterile animals.

 

[JAX]

Hi!
In Sweden you can show a desexed dog as long as you have veterinary certificate stating that the dogs was "normal" before the operation.

Henrik Härling

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Good job Cartman dosnt need one then , I dont think hes ever been `normal ` (w00t) :lol: :lol: :lol: :teehee:

 

[playawhile]

I think it is Ok to show these dogs. But only at a non competive level.If we as the ones to promote the breed & so continue to improve it, can not do so with sterile animals.

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But people desex dogs not because they are sterile in the cases I know and besides what do we know about all dogs and bitches being shown, if they are capable of producing puppies???? So if we only were to show dogs that can produce puppies, should we then require a fertility test before entering the ring??

henrik Härling

In Sweden showing desexed dogs is very, very rare.

 

[Seraphina]

True, Henrik. But allowing desexed bitches to compete puts entire bitches of some breeds in a great disadvantage. Afghan or Borzoi bitch for instance often (or at least mine did) loose most of their coats when in season, and they end up total, absolutely unshowable mess after pups.

Lida

 

[aslan]

I think it is Ok to show these dogs. But only at a non competive level.If we as the ones to promote the breed & so continue to improve it, can not do so with sterile animals.

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But people desex dogs not because they are sterile in the cases I know and besides what do we know about all dogs and bitches being shown, if they are capable of producing puppies???? So if we only were to show dogs that can produce puppies, should we then require a fertility test before entering the ring??

henrik Härling

In Sweden showing desexed dogs is very, very rare.

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Hi Henrik

Cartman didn't mean that the dogs were sterile and therefore desexed. He meant that once they have been desexed they are sterile and cannot produce.

The aim of the showing game is "to improve the breed". If we are going to desex dogs (speaking with mainly young dogs in mind here who have not produced a litter at all) and then compete with them against entire dogs (and the desexed dogs become big winners) they can do nothing to improve the breed. They have nothing to give. Therefore they should not be allowed to compete in regular competition (for CC's). What's the point of having a Multi Best in show winner if he can't pass his genes on?

To tackle your question about how do we know which dogs currently being shown are barren - well that's difficult. To fit in with the above criteria - once it has been established that they are not able to produce then perhaps they should not be allowed to be shown either.

The tricky one in all of this is the proven dogs & bitches who have to be desexed (for whatever reason) as an adult dog. Here they may no longer compete in CC competition - they can only go in the desexed sweepstakes. Seems a shame when they have already made their contribution.

Example: my Layla has produced one litter with two champions so far and one on the way. She had to have a caesarian for these pups and the vets asked me if I wanted to have her speyed. I want to try for her Grand champ title so I could not have her speyed although that could well have been in her best interest as I do not want to mate her again if she is going to have trouble. And she would be season free for the rest of her life with no risk of a mistake mating at any time.

 

[bardmand]

I think it is ok that desexed dogs cannot be shown, if only for the incentive it gives for breeding dogs with manageable temperaments. True, this is not usually a problem in whippets, but still.

I would like to comment though, that you cannot judge a dog's value as a breeding animal in the show ring. Rather, you are judging the value of its ancestors. From this perspective, showing a desexed animal would not be defeating the purpose of dog shows from a breeding point of view.

 

[playawhile]

The aim of the showing game is "to improve the breed". If we are going to desex dogs (speaking with mainly young dogs in mind here who have not produced a litter at all) and then compete with them against entire dogs (and the desexed dogs become big winners) they can do nothing to improve the breed. They have nothing to give. Therefore they should not be allowed to compete in regular competition (for CC's). What's the point of having a Multi Best in show winner if he can't pass his genes on?

Hi!

Thanks for clarifying what Cartman meant!

In Sweden the kennel club say that shows are to evaluate breeding results so the shows are not there to find the future if you see what I mean? But these days I think that shows are no longer an evaluation. Shows are just competition.

So since shows (in Sweden ) is supposed to be an evaluation I think that desexed dogs should be allowed to be shown.

I should also emphasise that desexing dogs (both sexes) is very rare in Sweden compared to many other countries were desexing dogs is very common. So showing desexed dogs is a very rare thing to do.

Henrik