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An article in the local paper.

Quote; A mother has spoken of her horror at seeing her puppy mauled to death by a Bull terrier in front of dozens of children, including her five-year -old son. She had taken her new Jack Russel puppy, Diesel, out for the first time to watch a friend's son play football when the other dog, a bull terrier approached them.

It picked up the eight-week-old puppy and hurled it around in front of a group of horrified onlookers. The bull terrier only let go of the puppy's body when four men grabbrd it and pinned it to the floor. "I had only had the puppy for two weeks and it was the first time I had taken it out," said the 29-year-old. "The other dog just mauled him to death in front of hundreds of kids who were playing football." One of the men who grabbed the dog suffered minor injuries.

Un-quote. There are more and more of these dogs running around playing fields where children are playing. These dogs should by law be on leads and muzzeled at all times. If it had been a German Shepherd it would have been front page news. Bull Terriers are one nasty breed and I get sick and tired of owners pretending to be macho while out with these dogs and saying my dog is alright with other dogs and children. I suppose bull terrier owners will have something to say. JG
 
somtimes its not the dogs fault its the owners its there responsability to show it and teach it how to behave there are probabily loads of bull terrier out there that wouldnt hurt a fly but its the odd few who give them a bad name.

on the other hand i thought pups had to be 8 weeks before leaving there mother and 12 ish weeks before they could be taken properly out or is it different for different breeds?
 
k4tie-d said:
somtimes its not the dogs fault its the owners its there responsability to show it and teach it how to behave there are probabily loads of bull terrier out there that wouldnt hurt a fly but its the odd few who give them a bad name.
on the other hand i thought pups had to be 8 weeks before leaving there mother and 12 ish weeks before they could be taken properly out or is it different for different breeds?

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I have just quoted the paper regarding the age, it does not matter if the pup is 8 weeks 12 weeks or 6 months it is still disturbing to read that one of these dogs are running around where children are playing and other dogs are on leads.

Last summer one of my daughters witnessed a bull terrier attacking a puppy, the pup had it's ear ripped off and the bull terrier's owner just walked off with a smirk on his face. JG
 
no i didnt mean its the puppy owners fault as becuase of its age not at all. i was just asking about the age thing as i wasnt sure.

its very disturbing, but what your saying about the owner walking with a smirk backs up my side of the arguement that the owners are to blame. its not the dogs fault its not on a lead. its not the dogs fault its not been tought properley.

the owner should imo take the full blame for for somthing like this.

but maybe im wrong and it is just a nasty breed but id like to think not that al dogs, have the potential to be good or bad and its they way their owner treats them that makes them that way.
 
It's not clear from this whether 'bull terrier' means an EBT or a staffie. I guess a staffie as it's the staffies that tend to make the newspapers.

I'm afraid I honestly don't think it's anything to do with the breed, I know well socialised friendly staffies that mix with other dogs and kids and who I can't in a million years imagine causing a problem. I know others that are dog-aggressive and shouldn't be let off lead.

I also know dog-aggressive collies, greyhounds, labradors et etc. I heard on a forum the other day about two greyhounds killing a poodle - that didn't make the papers, of course, they weren't bull breeds so no fun whipping up hysteria about them.

Not all dogs of any breed are good with other dogs, it's up to their owners to manage that safely and not allow their dog to injure others.

Bullies on the whole are great with people and children. When things go wrong and you hear the whole story it's rarely a family pet that attacks, it's a dog that's been kept outside in a yard, often as a guard dog or an 'ard dog for some moron who has encouraged the dog to be aggressive.

Down to the owners, every time, as far as I'm concerned.
 
DEED NOT BREED. It is somewhat irrelevant what breed of dog attacked the puppy, it's the fact it attacked the puppy. The owners were clearly irresponsible. Why should all bull terriers be accused of being 'one nasty breed' due to the actions of one.

Nobody knows the circumstances surrounding the incident, the background of the owners or the dogs, Papers love to grab a good bull breed bashing story. Bull terriers are amoungst the most beautiful friendliest dogs i've had the pleasure of owning.

I think the issue is totally with the owners of the bull terrier (if it was even a bull terrier)
 
I dont think you can brand all bull terriers killers.

but I do agree that certain people do use these type of dogs

has a macho status symbol.

my daughter did a sponscerd ride in aid of the sunami

her and a friend were on the ride when from no where a bull terrier

suddenly started atacking my daughters young horse it was biteing

her legs and trying to bite her stomach it even bit her on her back end.

this young horse was 15 2 hands high my daughter fell off and was trying

to scare the dog away with her whip.at this point the dog turned on her friends

horse no owner in sight the friend fell off both horses took off with the dog

in hot persuit. my daughter while running after her horse was screaming for

the owner who did turn up tattoes ,shaved ,head,and a mouthfull of foul language.

we dont know if the dog survived it took some real kicks from the horses.

it was a savage beast our young horse had some bad bites but recovered

apart from a fear of dogs.I also think they should wear a muzzle yes i know

that most responsible owners know their dogs and act accordingly but what

about those that enjoy an agressive dog :rant: how do we protect our kids

and dogs from them
 
I'm sorry to hear about the incident with the horses, that must have been awful for your daughter and her friend.

I completely agree that aggressive dogs of any breed should be muzzled and kept on lead, I just don't think bullies should be singled out. I've regularly been on rescue dog walks where we've had up to 30 dogs of all breeds running around together, including several staffies, an American Bulldog, an English Bull Terrier and a couple of rotties.

The only dog to be a pain in the bum with the others was my whippet x :b
 
a dog cant help who the idiot is who owns it.the trouble with a lot of the bull breeds like staffies and staffy crosses is that they do tend to attract the wrong sort of owners unfortunately.a friend told me last week about a group of young lads who were walking through a market in liverpool where she was shopping and the dog they had which she said looked like a pit bull or pit cross got hold of a jack russell and killed it.people were screaming etc and my friend was very upset cos she has a little jack russel bitch thats a rescue dog so it could easily have been Lucky.pit bulls are still being bred and are still out there, so much for government legislation :- "
 
I do agree the dog can not be to blame for it's idiot owners - this subject is very close to my heart as last summer my pedigree Siamese cat was killed by the man up the road staffie type dogs - the whole family were devastated, the dog warden said the local authority would not take the action of a prosecution but that I could go through the small claims court and recover the financial loss ( which is really not the point) the man has changed his story many times :rant: and we really do not know the truth. I do know that these two dogs are let off the lead and will chase everything they've tried to get my whippets also - thanks goodness the whippets are fast. Have received a letter today that the county court judge has thrown it out - so the man must be laughing himself silly .

Sorry it's so long winded but am feeling really :rant: Sue x
 
john gregory said:
Bull Terriers are one nasty breed and I get sick and tired of owners pretending to be macho while out with these dogs and saying my dog is alright with other dogs and children.   I suppose bull terrier owners will have something to say.  JG
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Why would owners pretending to be macho say their dogs are alright with other dogs and children? Surely this goes against the whole point of being macho (Definition: aggressively male).

In truth I am struggling to find the words to reply to the post as I am a bull terrier owner's myself, both crosses but both obviously have bull terrier breeding. I'm not blind to the fact that if a bull terrier attacks there can be significant damage (to say the least) like I’m not blind to the fact they are a tenacious dogs; they are terriers. But I do know they can make fabulous pets; loyal family pets. I wouldn’t leave my dogs alone with small children; I wouldn’t leave any dog alone with small children. I couldn't say my dogs are fine with all other dogs BUT they are well socialised and well trained so if the situation arose I have control over them. One is naturally submissive; a rescue dog that was beaten as a puppy while the other has a high prey drive and as such she is muzzled; this dog is whippet cross.

I don’t own these dogs because they are macho though some people do. These macho owners can equally own German Shepherds, Rottweillers, Akitas, and other guarding breeds. I don’t believe that makes these breeds nasty. There are plenty of other dogs that are aggressive/unsocial due to negligent owners that don’t believe there dogs are this way. Luckily these dogs aren't labelled as nasty breeds as they don’t have the power or size to cause as much injury.

I guess you supposed right in the fact that the bull terrier owners would have something to say as I have replied to your post and I am one of those bull terrier owners. I would never make excuses for the owner of the bull terrier in your post. It makes me feel sick to the stomach. I would feel the same whichever breed it was. I am however genuinely upset by your statement. My dogs aren’t angels, but they aren’t “nasty” and I’m a responsible dog owner that has made every effort possible to make sure my dogs are safe around others. I would have put the same level of training and commitment into my dogs whatever their breed.

Edited to add the dictionary definition of nasty:

“nasty (adj)”

Definition: bad-tempered, mean

Antonyms: agreeable, delightful, friendly, happy, kind, lovely, nice, pleasant
 
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To be honest, i get sick of these stories.

As already said, certain breeds attract the wrong owners. Also, the press like to publish stories about these same breeds.

I love my Whippets and now wouldn't have any other breed. However, we had a SBT that passed away in 2006 and we also have a Dobermann. Both so called 'macho' dogs. I can honestly say that as sure as you can be, these two girls have/had the best temperament you could dream of. Correctly raised and well socialised - no problem.

I quote from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Breed Standard "Highly intelligent and affectionate, especially with children." If i remember correctly, there's only a handful of breeds that mention the good temperament with children.

Our Dobermann is bullied to death by all the Whippets in the family - she is well and truly at the bottom of the pack.

An unfortunate incident - but dont blame the breed.

Picture is of my son Conor and Molly the Staffie, a week before she was pts :huggles:

mol_and_conor.jpg
 
I agree with most of you on here deed not the breed. I have a staff x who is a rescue dog, and no i didnt get him cos he looks "hard." I had the delight of working with him at the rescue before i got him and needless to say we all love him to bits. But he is nasty with other dogs. For this reason he is kept on the lead where there might be the possibility of other dogs, and if we meet a dog I will cross the road to prevent any incidents. I dont know how you can say all bull terriers are one nasty breed - I have seen many very nasty collies, and have even been bitten by a couple of them but that would not prompt me to call collies "one nasty breed!" it would be absurd to say the least!
 
It is a great pity that Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Bull Terriers do get into the wrong hands. I am a championship show judge of Staffordshire Bull Terriers and still have Sophie an 11yr old Bull Terrier. Both breeds have mixed with my whippets and daughter over the years, but great care was always taken, the Stafford should be bomb proof with children, but we took care when we had children playing the Bullies were never let out with them when children start to scream and shout and run around they could get wound up. Like all breeds there are people breeding and selling them for all the wrong reasons, genuine Stafford and Bull Terrier breeders do a wonderful job'
 
patsy said:
It is a great pity that Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Bull Terriers do get into the wrong hands. I am a championship show judge of Staffordshire Bull Terriers and still have Sophie an 11yr old Bull Terrier. Both breeds have mixed with my whippets and daughter over the years, but great care was always taken, the Stafford should be bomb proof with children, but we took care when we had children playing the Bullies were never let out with them when children start to scream and shout and run around they could get wound up. Like all breeds there are people breeding and selling them for all the wrong reasons, genuine Stafford and Bull Terrier breeders do a wonderful job'
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yes i quiet agree it is the ones that are breeding for the wrong reasons.

my brother has a staffordshire and he is soft has butter.

we have also had in the past 2 gsd,s one was very nasty the other was

the sweetest .no breed is bad just bad owners :(
 
Thanks for all the reply's, everyone has their opinions.

Some quotes;

Rach125, "He is nasty with other dogs for this reason he is kept on the lead".

Patsy, "But we took care when we had children playing. The bullies were never let out with them"

Unquote. They cannot be trusted then ?

Jok, "An unfortunate incident-but dont blame the dog"

Who gets the blame then, the puppy on its lead ?

I have been out with my Whippet on her lead and two ran out from some bushes straight at her, the owner shouted "they are ok, they only 6 months old". What if they where older would they have attacked ?.

I know other breeds can be as nasty but my opinion will not change.
 
True i dont trust Buster with other dogs, but this is not just because he has staff in him, i couldnt trust my Duck Tolling Retriever with other dogs either and so he was kept on a lead too. This was because neither of them were socialised with other dogs when they were young. And to be honest if i had children i wouldn't trust any breed alone with them - my friend at college was viciously attacked by her labrador when she was little because she had food. She has huge scar under her chin and from nose to cheek. However she does not claim all labs are vicious even though im sure a lesser person would!
 
john gregory said:
Thanks for all the reply's, everyone has their opinions.
Some quotes;

Rach125, "He is nasty with other dogs for this reason he is kept on the lead".

Patsy, "But we took care when we had children playing.  The bullies were never let out with them"

Unquote.  They cannot be trusted then ?

Jok, "An unfortunate incident-but dont blame the dog"

Who gets the blame then,  the puppy on its lead ?

I have been out with my Whippet on her lead and two ran out from some bushes straight at her, the owner shouted "they are ok, they only 6 months old".  What if they where older would they have attacked ?.

I know other breeds can be as nasty but my opinion will not change.

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The owner gets the blame John as has been said over and over again.

I was brought up with Molly the SBT - shown in an photo with my nephew. She was the sweetest most loving dog I have ever and probably will ever meet.

I would trust her as much as a person can ever trust a dog - she was wonderful with children and other dogs - in particular puppies. She saw the arrival of 6 new dogs into the family during her life time and she adored them all - even when 12 years old and riddled with cancer she would let the pups beat her up and not once did she show an aggression.

I think it is very sad that you are so blinkered and make the assumption that all Bull Terriers are horrible dogs. Just the kind of person who I used to find so infuriating when they would grab their dogs and cling on to them at the sight of Molly. More chance of them doing her harm in fact.
 
My EBT with two of my whips

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