NSW Whippet Association & Sighthound Show

[aslan]

link for results and pics.

Whippets

 

[JAX]

Very interesting Lana , Thanks for that

I must admit, some odd shapes , very long and stretched out far too long ,completely losing topline on some of them . Also some seem to be top size too .( Glad its a problem worldwide !)

Most were lovely quality though ,even though maybe they werent stood to show their advantage to what we in the U K look for .[

Cant say Im too keen on showing `baby puppies `I think they are best left at home until 6 months ,but thats just my personnel opionion as is most of the comments I put on K9 )

What a shame we cant see them moving ! who knows maybe in the future we can download videos too !

But VERY interesting I will go back more than once to have further looks :*

 

[Cartman]

Lana, thanks for that site. I did not know it was up already.

JAX. Your comments did reflect the general point of view of what pics there were. Very honest & blunt. :thumbsup: However, I know what other whippets were entered, & I showed under this lady yesterday. May I say that she could of stayed on type more. This reflects the vast difference from the dog to bitch, & also to each class being different.

I could say more, but think she did a reasonable job for someone that does not have whippets. o

 

[Karen]

I like the puppy bitch, but as Jax says perhaps the handling is different than here.

And I will surely have another look later.

Do you down unders find our dogs rather different when you look at our results?

 

[JAX]

Jon

What size classes are they ?

Its very difficult to judge to type if you havnt got the dogs there to judge :b :*

 

[LasVegasNo1]

I like the baby puppy (brindle). Looks really cute to me :* That was a non-expert opinion

 

[aslan]

Do you down unders find our dogs rather different when you look at our results?

Different from each other or different to Aussie whippets?

Some of our dogs are starting to look very american due to the influx of american imports being used.

From what I've seen type seems much more consistent in England than it is in Oz. But that could also be due to the heavy use of Dutch and Fergal. It seems to me that many English show whippets of today have either of those dogs in their pedigrees at least once and often more than once.

Would anyone agree with me or am I going to get shouted down for that comment?

 

[Cartman]

Jon
What size classes are they ?

Its very difficult to judge to type if you havnt got the dogs there to judge  :b   :*

Hi, I think the entry in Sydney was about 150, & in Adelaide 75. My problem is, it is not the number of whippets in a class. It is the quallity.

I had some words to say to a comment a few years back. I was told that a open bitch class at a show was "the best quallity" that that person had ever seen. I told him "crap". Their was no depth in quality. I saked him, "take the best 2 out, & how many of the rest would you take home?"...................................

We do have some very good dogs here. & some with protential & great lines. BUT my point is that that judge could not find TYPE. There was type there, she missed it. I dont care if I go to a show & get nothing. But the judge should of been able to show us that he/she liked what they did, & put up dogs of a same type.

I was only placed 3& 4 under Mr. Meakins when he judged here. BUT!!!!!! what he put up I could see him showing himself. When his daughter came here I won BOB whippet, but with different dog. ( when June Minns judged I wasted my money) That is dog showing.

I may think not like all dog people, (thank heavens), I let someone use a dog of mine. 7 in the litter. They kept 1 & the rest were to show homes. WRONG. There was not a litter ever that I have seen that good. I have 4 litters, & keep maybe 1 from the lot, if not I keep trying.

JAX, forgive me for going on, but I think it is too easy for someone to BUY 10 whippets from 10 totally different kennels & show them all under a Hound person & they will at the end of the day win a prize.

Too much info for now. It is your turn to tell me where to go. & I have been told too. So lets hear it. You may want to start a new topic called "Depth of quallity".

 

[Cartman]

Do you down unders find our dogs rather different when you look at our results?

Different from each other or different to Aussie whippets?

Some of our dogs are starting to look very american due to the influx of american imports being used.

From what I've seen type seems much more consistent in England than it is in Oz. But that could also be due to the heavy use of Dutch and Fergal. It seems to me that many English show whippets of today have either of those dogs in their pedigrees at least once and often more than once.

Would anyone agree with me or am I going to get shouted down for that comment?

I think that is fair comment. Will reply more later, After the key board stops melting

In the mean time I will wonder if USA or ENG dogs here is a good or bad thing. & also if using some of AUST (one in particular) in Europe is a good thing too.

My "bias" must lay with English dogs. The first import I was asked to make up was Dondelayo Detta. Did it at first 4 shows. She was sweet. She was mated to L.O. Mastermind. That gave us Martinique Calice Mist. He would not of won much (if still alive) 10 years ago. But today could of because males here have droped off in number & quallity.

I can see myself getting into trouble if I mention other imports so will sit back & see what others have to say. :- "

 

[Karen]

In the mean time I will wonder if USA or ENG dogs here is a good or bad thing. & also if using some of AUST (one in particular) in Europe is a good thing too.

If you mean who I think you mean, I personally dont see this dog as being from any country but if I had to say one of course I would say he goes back to Fergal.

Im not sure we need any foreign dogs used in the UK but If people feel they are relevent in their breeding and can find nothing else that seems to fit the bill, well go for it.

As you say perhaps the lady judge couldnt find type but then I know how hard, as Im sure you do, it is from inside the ring. You find a typy dog, it moves like crap. I CANT sacrifice movement for type I dont care how shambolic my final line up may seem to the viewer. If this lady was say a beagle lady she may have been looking for best up and back movement, Im not saying that she was right,

It would be one off those topics that ran and ran, but hopefully not on the lines of the eyebrow debate (w00t)

 

[Cartman]

Karen. I too have put typy dogs down the line for a fault that was too bad to forgive. Like most shows, you would have to be there to see what was not pulled out.

Maybe this case is more of "why did a none whippet person judge a whippet show?"

I can sit back & feel good about judging, regardless of what won, if the jusge was able to be followed.

Was the dog you thought I was refering to by anychance called Extortion? I did not say it was that one.

 

[playawhile]

In the mean time I will wonder if USA or ENG dogs here is a good or bad thing. & also if using some of AUST (one in particular) in Europe is a good thing too.

Hi!

Me as a breeder try not to think of whippets in national terms. I look at whipppets as for what they are and if they measure up to my standards. I am always "on the hunt" for new bloodlines and sincerely if a dog I am interested in comes from the UK, the US or New Zeeland does not matter. The main thing is that I like the specimen and that this dog/bitch carries a different backgound compared to my own dogs or the breed in general were I come from. I belive in "mixing" the breed trying to improve it both geneticly as well as conformation wise. Over the years I have met people in the breed in different countries thinking the breed is so good in their country and that they don't need any input from abroad - many have not even been out of their own country to look at the breed in other countries!!

In Sweden generally we have been very open to whippets from all parts of the world and the breed in Sweden is very international and I also think that this has produced many very nice individuals over the years.

Henrik Härling,

Sweden

 

[Karen]

Cartman, couldnt think of any others.

This topic is going off at all angles. I think my main question was when we look at dogs on here do we see a large difference in make and shape from country to country. I dont think so, but perhaps the way we present the dog changes the shape somewhat. I dont think in the UK we take the hind legs out quite so far so our topline perhaps appears less falling away.

And as for using dogs from overseas, I would use a dog from anywhere if I thought it would improve the breed, but sometimes the import is used in a paniky must use that dog, sort of way. On any bitch that happens to be ready to mate, then I think it can be a retrograde step.

Lastly I think Sweden has now and has had some of the best dogs in the world probably because of thier foresight and willingness to explore.

And of course they gave us Abba, Knowing you, knowing me, aha

 

[JAX]

And of course they gave us Abba, Knowing you, knowing me, aha 

Im afraid that was your Waterloo Karen !!

It is `Knowing me , knowing you aha ` s

I agree with Hendrik in that all whippets should in theory look the same , wether American , French , Swedish , UK ,or whereever

Colour plays a big part in what country you are in ,

I was talking to Per Iveson at W E L K S about my visit to Tammsvik in July .

I mentioned the 2 judges , Junn Minns and Molly McConkey and said Id hoped to see overseas judges because we`d mainly get fawns under those 2 judges , Per said you will see hardly any fawns at all because there arnt many to see :blink:

French seem to favior Dark brindles from what Ive seen and Aust , NZ and USA Particolours , Scandinavia seem to have flashy brindle/ white partis .or silver brindles

Even in the UK it can be divided . The north you tend to get brindles and the south fawns ( im in the Midlands and have both o )Blacks and blue s are down south or in Scotland :blink:

I think if you consider a dog from foreign parts will improve your stock then you should use it , not because its the `done` thing to do. The world is forever getting smaller

 

[Cartman]

And of course they gave us Abba,  Knowing you, knowing me, aha

You are talking about 4 people. Of them, half could not speak English, & the other half could not talk to eachother.

 

[Karen]

And of course they gave us Abba,  Knowing you, knowing me, aha

You are talking about 4 people. Of them, half could not speak English, & the other half could not talk to eachother.

Yeah but the remaining half sang a good tune

 

[JAX]

All this talk of ABBA takes me back to my youth and one of my first loves :wub: (who happened to be Swedish ) Had I not just also met my future ``first `husband who knows I could have been living in Sweden with all those lovely Swedish whippets :wub:

Only SLIGHTLY off topic

 

[Cartman]

All this talk of ABBA takes me back to my youth and one of my first loves  :wub: (who happened to be Swedish ) Had I not just also met my future  ``first `husband who knows I could have been living in Sweden with all those lovely Swedish whippets  :wub:
Only SLIGHTLY off topic 

So you stayed with your "first " hubby for the "MONEY, MONEY , MONEY"

 

[malin]

You are talking about 4 people. Of them, half could not speak English, & the other half could not talk to eachother.

LOL! Cartman you have some really top-notch comments! Puts a smile on my face and a generous amount of coffee over my poor keyboard By the way I'm living in the land of ABBA 8) Certainly on topic as Lana has been here on a visit from down under and posted this topic in the first place :- " :teehee:

 

[Cartman]

Malin, Your welcome. :clown: