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In the light of a previous topic ive always wondered why at Lurcher shows over here that racing is always after the showing ? :wacko:

ive heard a certain person always saying how scared they were of her "beloved" being too tired to stand in a ring after racing..what a load of crap !

Last year at 2 shows Colt won the hurdle event directly before winning the straight racing..over the same track too where some people held their dogs back for the straight racing..ooops ! which proves tiredness after one event would hardly effect a dog being shown in a ring.

my main gripe is that the spectacle which people generally prefer to watch as opposed to standing gawping like "cows over a fence" at a show ring is delayed that long that the interest wains and they go home !

we have two of the worst offenders in this country for it..(i dont need to mention their names). not until the crowd has been fleeced..bored to tears..sometimes soaked to the skin do they decide to run the racing. what a load of crap again !

is it only me who notices the excitement in a crowd watching 6 dogs hurtling up the track like "immigrants up the euro tunnel" ? they cheer the dogs on and come and pat them afterwards..to me thats the way forward for this sport..not as a secondary event.

i also have to say at most game fairs in england its not mentioned enough through the public address systems...were usually stuck in some corner of a field where crowds spot us by pure chance!!

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER THIS YEAR, IF YOUR CLUB IS RUNNING A SHOW AND RACE AT A MAJOR GAMEFAIR TRY TO PROMOTE THE SPORT, DO ALL YOU CAN TO PULL CROWDS FROM WATCHING FLY-CASTERS..JUMPER KNITTERS..SHEEP SHAGGERS..ANTIQUE STALLS..BLOODY MERRY-GO-ROUNDS ETC !!

OUR SPORT IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS !!

whats your views on my idea of racing then showing ?

john
 
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Agree with you John :thumbsup:For the reasons you've said and in the middle of summer(when we have one :lol: )Who in their right mind would prefer to run a dog in the afternoon sun :sweating: when the morning is cooler.Much better option I think :D Karen
 
I much prefer racing in the morning, for various reasons really.

Rooney raced much better in the mornings (due to him being a hyper active dog!!!! :- " ) then he was much more settled in the afternoon for the showing, also after the racing is over i find it much easier to relax and have a look around the show whilst waiting for my showing classes. I think keeping track of showing is soooo much easier than trying to spot who's racing class is what with all the noise etc. For some reason i just enjoy the day soooo much more if the racing is first.

and as mentioned Racing draws the public over to come and learn about these fantastic dogs! :thumbsup:

Defo need more attention drawn to the lurcher rings thou
 
The good thing about it is that there are people there to cheer you on, when the racing is done and dusted everyone bar the winners leave the field!
 
(w00t) I agree wholeheartedly with you John, and i would like to see the racing in the morning when the dogs are full of life and ready to go. :- " then you find them more settled for the showing instead of looking everywhere for a lure or a plastic bag that blows bye. :( and yes we are stuffed in the corner of the a field with no room for the events we need. ( just my opinion.) :thumbsup: Diane

Still love the shows though and well done to everyone who makes the effort to put them on. :) :) :) :)
 
gabbitas31 said:
(w00t) I agree wholeheartedly with you John, and i would like to see the racing in the morning when the dogs are full of life and ready to go. :- " then you find them more settled for the showing instead of looking everywhere for a lure or a plastic bag that blows bye.  :( and yes we are stuffed in the corner of the a field with no room for the events we need. ( just my opinion.) :thumbsup: Diane
Still love the shows though and well done to everyone who makes the effort to put them on. :)   :)   :)   :)

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tell you what diane..youre spot on ! it takes a club effort to make a show run smooth and on the mainland i havent been to a bad one yet !

for the amount of shows each club organise they all do exceptionally well.

its always the landowners who determine where abouts the lurchers will be allocated so the blame lies at their feet entirely. all i suggest is that more publicity is given out on the event day..flyers etc etc handed out around the gamefair prior to racing and showing.

when the NLRC come here to ballywalter in may theyre given a track of 92 effing yards !! now thats a disgrace given the size of ballywalter estate !
 
NLRC usually race and course before their shows as do DRWLC and StaveleyDLC.
 
RACING AND COURSING ARE MUCH BETTER DONE IN THE MORNING OF THE SHOW.IT ALSO PUMPS THE DOGS MUSCULAR FOREQUARTERS AND HINDQUARTERS UP READY FOR THE SHOW RING. :thumbsup:
 
morganna said:
NLRC usually race and course before their shows as do DRWLC and StaveleyDLC.
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unfortunately when they come over here they dont. never have, infact none of the main clubs that ever came here to do the lurcher side of a n.ireland gamefair have done it that way. smaller lurcher & terrier shows have started to do that but most need to sit down and review their format.
 
stormydog said:
gabbitas31 said:
(w00t) I agree wholeheartedly with you John, and i would like to see the racing in the morning when the dogs are full of life and ready to go. :- " then you find them more settled for the showing instead of looking everywhere for a lure or a plastic bag that blows bye.  :( and yes we are stuffed in the corner of the a field with no room for the events we need. ( just my opinion.) :thumbsup: Diane
Still love the shows though and well done to everyone who makes the effort to put them on. :)   :)   :)   :)

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tell you what diane..youre spot on ! it takes a club effort to make a show run smooth and on the mainland i havent been to a bad one yet !

for the amount of shows each club organise they all do exceptionally well.

its always the landowners who determine where abouts the lurchers will be allocated so the blame lies at their feet entirely. all i suggest is that more publicity is given out on the event day..flyers etc etc handed out around the gamefair prior to racing and showing.

when the NLRC come here to ballywalter in may theyre given a track of 92 effing yards !! now thats a disgrace given the size of ballywalter estate !

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Yeah!! 92 yards long and about 3 yards wide. Does anyone have an email address for those who run the Game Fair at Ballywalter as the NLRC say that that is the ground which is allocated to them for the lurchers. Maybe all us lurcher people should email the organisers and try to get something done about it. I know John that you have done this in the past but if we were all to do it collectively, who knows, something may be done about it.

Also looking at the quantity and quality of pups around and being bred at the minute looks like those who want to enter their dogs in every event may hamper their chances of winning everything.

If it was me and i wanted to concentrate on straight racing my dog wouldn't be used for hunting. Dogs may have been able to do this in years gone past but the quality and quantity of the pups being bred now are of better breeding.

Is there any successful non ped racers out there who both work and race the same dog. Just my view.
 
Dazgail don't forget it's lurchers & not just non peds that are racing at these shows. :thumbsup: We have 1 non ped & he worked as well as doing sim coursing.

Currently 2 of our 4 successful racing/coursing lurchers work. :))

Sorry not hijacking the thread, I think that racing is better in the morning as it's usually cooler & the dogs are mentally fresh (not bored rigid hanging about waiting for showing to finish)

As for promoting lurcher field events, at Chatsworth the racing etc was held near one of the public entrances & attracted quite a crowd, Frampton coursing is in the morning, racing in pm but its fairly central & attracts quite a big crowd.

I agree that a lot of game/country fairs put lurcher shows/racing as an "attraction" in their adverts then give the clubs a poky bit of ground to use, unfortunately it's usually club members who have to bear the brunt of complaints about the ground :(
 
stormydog said:
In the light of a previous topic ive always wondered why at Lurcher shows over here that racing is always after the showing ? :wacko: ive heard a certain person always saying how scared they were of her "beloved" being too tired to stand in a ring after racing..what a load of crap !

Last year at 2 shows Colt won the hurdle event directly before winning the straight racing..over the same track too where some people held their dogs back for the straight racing..ooops !  which proves tiredness after one event would hardly effect a dog being shown in a ring.

my main gripe is that the spectacle which people generally prefer to watch as opposed  to standing gawping like "cows over  a fence" at a show ring is delayed that long that the interest wains and they go home !

we have two of the worst offenders in this country for it..(i dont need to mention their names). not until the crowd has been fleeced..bored to tears..sometimes soaked to the skin do they decide to run the racing. what a load of crap again !

is it only me who notices the excitement in a crowd watching 6 dogs hurtling up the track like "immigrants up the euro tunnel" ? they cheer the dogs on and come and pat them afterwards..to me thats the way forward for this sport..not as a secondary event.

i also have to say  at most game fairs in england its not mentioned enough through the public address systems...were usually stuck in some corner of a field where crowds spot us by pure chance!!

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER THIS YEAR, IF YOUR CLUB IS RUNNING A SHOW AND RACE  AT A MAJOR GAMEFAIR TRY TO PROMOTE THE SPORT, DO ALL YOU CAN TO PULL CROWDS FROM WATCHING FLY-CASTERS..JUMPER KNITTERS..SHEEP SHAGGERS..ANTIQUE STALLS..BLOODY MERRY-GO-ROUNDS ETC    !!

OUR SPORT IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS !!

  whats your views on my idea of racing then showing ?

john

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why not run the heats then show and finals after showing as there are alot who just go to show and they help make up the numbers attending and build up gate money
 
mao said:
Dazgail don't forget it's lurchers &  not just non peds that are racing at these shows.  :thumbsup: We have 1 non ped & he worked as well as doing sim coursing.Currently 2 of our 4 successful racing/coursing lurchers work.  :))

Sorry not hijacking the thread, I think that racing is better in the morning as it's usually cooler & the dogs are mentally fresh (not bored rigid hanging about waiting for showing to finish)

As for promoting lurcher field events, at Chatsworth the racing etc was held near one of the public entrances & attracted quite a crowd, Frampton coursing is in the morning, racing in pm but its fairly central & attracts quite a big crowd.

I agree that a lot of game/country fairs put lurcher shows/racing as an "attraction" in their adverts then give the clubs a poky bit of ground to use, unfortunately it's usually club members who have to bear the brunt of complaints about the ground  :(

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In my view non peds are lurchers. How would your successful racing/coursing lurchers which work fair if they competed at the non ped open events.
 
anybody whos raced at a game fair in england will see exactly where im at with this topic. heats first thing..showing then finals is the way its done.

this keeps the interest alive and the crowd happy.

either way when most ones i know get beat in racing or showing the just get into their cars and go home !! so i suppose its horse for courses, lose the racing and disappear or lose the showing and go home.

cant please everyone i think is the punchline.
 
coatsy said:
stormydog said:
In the light of a previous topic ive always wondered why at Lurcher shows over here that racing is always after the showing ? :wacko: ive heard a certain person always saying how scared they were of her "beloved" being too tired to stand in a ring after racing..what a load of crap !

Last year at 2 shows Colt won the hurdle event directly before winning the straight racing..over the same track too where some people held their dogs back for the straight racing..ooops !  which proves tiredness after one event would hardly effect a dog being shown in a ring.

my main gripe is that the spectacle which people generally prefer to watch as opposed  to standing gawping like "cows over  a fence" at a show ring is delayed that long that the interest wains and they go home !

we have two of the worst offenders in this country for it..(i dont need to mention their names). not until the crowd has been fleeced..bored to tears..sometimes soaked to the skin do they decide to run the racing. what a load of crap again !

is it only me who notices the excitement in a crowd watching 6 dogs hurtling up the track like "immigrants up the euro tunnel" ? they cheer the dogs on and come and pat them afterwards..to me thats the way forward for this sport..not as a secondary event.

i also have to say  at most game fairs in england its not mentioned enough through the public address systems...were usually stuck in some corner of a field where crowds spot us by pure chance!!

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER THIS YEAR, IF YOUR CLUB IS RUNNING A SHOW AND RACE  AT A MAJOR GAMEFAIR TRY TO PROMOTE THE SPORT, DO ALL YOU CAN TO PULL CROWDS FROM WATCHING FLY-CASTERS..JUMPER KNITTERS..SHEEP SHAGGERS..ANTIQUE STALLS..BLOODY MERRY-GO-ROUNDS ETC    !!

OUR SPORT IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS !!

  whats your views on my idea of racing then showing ?

john

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why not run the heats then show and finals after showing as there are alot who just go to show and they help make up the numbers attending and build up gate money

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If the racing is run smoothly it shouldn't take long. At most shows i have been at the showing can go on for hours and hours depending on the number of classes and the judge...Great suggestion John as you are trying to move forward from the dark ages which some people are still stuck in and you have both experience at organising and running shows as well judging and actually participating in the events. Hopefully organisers will take this suggestion on board as it is the way forward.
 
stormydog said:
In the light of a previous topic ive always wondered why at Lurcher shows over here that racing is always after the showing ? :wacko: ive heard a certain person always saying how scared they were of her "beloved" being too tired to stand in a ring after racing..what a load of crap !

Last year at 2 shows Colt won the hurdle event directly before winning the straight racing..over the same track too where some people held their dogs back for the straight racing..ooops !  which proves tiredness after one event would hardly effect a dog being shown in a ring.

my main gripe is that the spectacle which people generally prefer to watch as opposed  to standing gawping like "cows over  a fence" at a show ring is delayed that long that the interest wains and they go home !

we have two of the worst offenders in this country for it..(i dont need to mention their names). not until the crowd has been fleeced..bored to tears..sometimes soaked to the skin do they decide to run the racing. what a load of crap again !

is it only me who notices the excitement in a crowd watching 6 dogs hurtling up the track like "immigrants up the euro tunnel" ? they cheer the dogs on and come and pat them afterwards..to me thats the way forward for this sport..not as a secondary event.

i also have to say  at most game fairs in england its not mentioned enough through the public address systems...were usually stuck in some corner of a field where crowds spot us by pure chance!!

COME ON GUYS GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER THIS YEAR, IF YOUR CLUB IS RUNNING A SHOW AND RACE  AT A MAJOR GAMEFAIR TRY TO PROMOTE THE SPORT, DO ALL YOU CAN TO PULL CROWDS FROM WATCHING FLY-CASTERS..JUMPER KNITTERS..SHEEP SHAGGERS..ANTIQUE STALLS..BLOODY MERRY-GO-ROUNDS ETC    !!

OUR SPORT IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS !!

  whats your views on my idea of racing then showing ?

john

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Hi John,

Definetely racing in the morning,especially in the summer months.The dogs are fresher,the weather cooler.Personally,my dogs show better when they have had a run.We have,on occasions,had racing after showing,and for me,the day dragged.

Amandax :wacko:
 
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stormydog said:
anybody whos raced at a game fair in england will see exactly where im at with this topic.  heats first thing..showing then finals is the way its done.this keeps the interest alive and the crowd happy.

either way when most ones i know get beat in racing or showing the just get into their cars and go home !!  so i suppose its horse for courses, lose the racing and disappear or lose the showing and go home.

cant please everyone i think is the punchline.

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why dont you run race day only this year to see how many turn up it will give you indication how many are interested in wot or do you need both at a game fair to make it a day for the family or just those interested in glory
 
where where where do i mention that you dont have showing !!

the title states racing before showing....? whats your views ?

good luck with club agm
 
:) A very interesting topic, it's nice to hear some different views and hopefully this year might see the shows and game fairs run differently. :)

I was told by my other half that we might be going to the ALL IRELAND CHAMPIONSHIP this year if he can get the time off work, (w00t) so i can see how it's done in lovely Ireland.( Can't wait) :thumbsup: Diane.
 
stormydog said:
where where where  do i mention that you dont have showing !!    the title states  racing before showing....?  whats your views ?

  good luck with club agm

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john i didnt say you said dont have shows i said have a race day only to see how many turn up as you dont like gawping over a fence into a show ring that other people might enjoy doing i didnt think you would have taken offence to this

colin
 
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