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Does AV qualify for puppy group?

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Does anybody know for sure if winning AV hound puppy class entitles you to go into puppy group. Just been to a show where the judge said that you had to have entered a breed class before you could go in group. There was no whippet puppy class. The classes were SP Yearling, Post Grad, Limit and Open. A judge at the same show said the same to the AV Toy puppy. I left before the end so I don't know the outcome. Any views? :blink:
 
AV anything does not entitle you to go through to the Group unless it was AVNSC Hound or Toy or whatever group. They should have awarded a Best Puppy in Breed even though there was no puppy class as you could have entered Sp Yearling
 
I thought that there could only be one example of a breed in the adult group but the puppies were ok to have more than one. Will check my red book later.
 
Dessies absolutely right. Win out of breed class or AVNSC Hound.
 
This depends on the type of Open show. If its NOT on the group system and they have AV classes and no breed class (or puppyclass for the breed) and you win the AV puppy and have not been beaten by any other puppy in entered in the show, you can then compete for BEST PUPPY IN SHOW ............ However if the Open show is on the group system, the only puppies allowed to compete in the puppy group are all best puppies in breed and the NSC puppy winner. AV winner cannot compete any further unless they have already won BPIB or NSC. :D
 
Just to add to the rest of the information. If there is an "age" class, e.g. Junior, Special Junior or whatever and Whippets are scheduled then you must enter that class. If you enter the AVNSC Hound or AV Hound instead, and win, then you are liable to be disqualified by the Kennel Club. That applies irrespective of whether the show is based on the group system or not.

Sometimes being a show secretary can be useful, though not often!

Jan
 
Hi Silas - I was at the same show with you I think because I have been pondering over this too! I got second in Special Yearling with my 7.5 month pup, winner being about 20 months old and therefore my boy got BP.

However, there wasn't a rosette at the show and they didn't even really declare it but I was qualified for the puppy group as I hadn't been beaten by any puppies. I thought your puppy was really stunning, and so well behaved! He was amazingly mature for his age seeing as he was the same age as mine and you may have seen what a baby mine looked like in the group!!

I also must say I thought the judge was a little bit harsh the way you were shouted at when you went to enter the group :eek:

Are you going to SWWC next weekend?
 
Sounds like the show was a complete shambles. This is the sort of society that would go on my 'black list'. There is no need for rudeness, it is meant to be a sport and not everyone is totally au fait with all the rules & regulations, including committees.

Just remember that if you ever feel you (as the exhibitor) are in the right, no-one barring the Kennel Club can stop you competing and as the KC will not be there on the day (unless they have a Field Officer who probably won't get involved anyway) the show committee MUST let you compete and subsequently report the incident to the KC. If you are wrong, however, you will be liable to disqualification by the KC at a later date.
 
The rules say that BPIS is awarded to "a puppy which has competed and is unbeaten by any other puppy exhibited at the same show"

BPIG and subsequant group placings must be selected from puppies which have been judged and which are unbeaten by any other puppy"
 
Yes but you also have to look at the Definitions of Classes section where it states:

"A dog is not elibible for entery into Any Variety classes unless it is entered and subsequently exhibited in a breed class where such a class is provided for which it is eligible ...

Exemptions from this Regulation are:

Puppy: unless a class for dogs under twelve months of age, for which it is eligible, is provided for the breed"

If there was a Sp Yearling class at that show, the puppy should have been entered and exhibited in that first as Sp Yearling is for dogs of not less than 6 and not exceeding 24 months of age.
 
Have just talked to the KC who assured me that the puppy WAS eligible to go in puppy group. Rules for adult dogs differ to those for puppy.
 
Forgot to say that at the same show the AV toy puppy was also denied the right to go in puppy group. In this instance the only breed class available was open.
 
If no puppy class is provided then a puppy does not have to do in a breed class even if the breed is scheduled with other classes. Had this with the other breed at one show. One entered in breed junoir the other Av puppy for its group. Both pups were eligible for the puppy group. That was a few years back, the KC change the rules more often than most people breathe!!!!
 
If a show is judged on the Group system, AVs are not eligible to compete in the group only NSC Hound, Toy, Gundog etc etc. There does not have to be a Puppy class for the particular breed but a class provided for which the puppy is eligible by means of age, i.e. Junior or Special Yearling. The same applies to Veterans, if you win AV Veteran you can only compete in your relevant group if you have also won BoB with that same veteran.
 
Just read the last post (know it was ages ago) but must say that the kennel club was adamant that the puppies were eligible. The appropriate rule was quoted and the opinion was that the puppy rule was confused with the rule you refer to.

Any puppy that has been entered and remains unbeaten can compete in puppy group. This applies to shows run on the group system.
 
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