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Castration/neutering ???
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I've no idea what the ideal neutering age is - Ten was dona at 6 1/2 months with no problems.
I dont think theres a difference between neutering and castration - i think its the same process referred to by different names for different animals - i think? :wacko:
A dog is neutered - A horse is castrated... and thats all i know :lol:
I dont think theres a difference between neutering and castration - i think its the same process referred to by different names for different animals - i think? :wacko:
A dog is neutered - A horse is castrated... and thats all i know :lol:
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Why are you having the poor animal castrated in the first place , may i ask ? Do you have bitches ?
my mums dog was done at around four years old - he was a bit crazy anyway, the vet suggested neutering would be the answer to his problems - unfortunately now he's even more confused and aggressive 
and over weight. don't know if its just a coincidence but neutering is a big regret for my ma.
and over weight. don't know if its just a coincidence but neutering is a big regret for my ma.
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Moo.UK said:my mums dog was done at around four years old - he was a bit crazy anyway, the vet suggested neutering would be the answer to his problems - unfortunately now he's even more confused and aggressive
Please read and digest all you people who have bits `cut off and out ` of your dogs !!! .
9 times out of 10 it dosnt make nasty dogs calm and as far as im concerned who are you doing it for ??? , Its certainly not in the dogs best interest , but weve gone over this ground a thousand times before havnt we (w00t) Some of us are against it and some of you are for it . Guess which side of the fence Im on :- "
:wacko: I hope Indi will be ok, the only reason he's going for the 'snip' is because he's really dominant (growling, nipping, not with humans just with Chance and Binx and ALL other dogs) plus Chance is coming into season I think and I don't want yorkie/lurchers EWWWW!!!!
even though with one bite Chance and Binx would take his tiny head off (w00t) he thinks he's a dobermann!!
even though with one bite Chance and Binx would take his tiny head off (w00t) he thinks he's a dobermann!!
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[SIZE=21pt]what?????????????[/SIZE] :rant: :rant: :angry: :angry:GraysonIG said:
I am totally with Jax on this one. Unless it is for health reasons WHY have a dog (and I use dog as a generic term for male or female) neutered?????JAX said:Moo.UK said:my mums dog was done at around four years old - he was a bit crazy anyway, the vet suggested neutering would be the answer to his problems - unfortunately now he's even more confused and aggressive
Please read and digest all you people who have bits `cut off and out ` of your dogs !!! .
9 times out of 10 it dosnt make nasty dogs calm and as far as im concerned who are you doing it for ??? , Its certainly not in the dogs best interest , but weve gone over this ground a thousand times before havnt we (w00t) Some of us are against it and some of you are for it . Guess which side of the fence Im on :- "
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GraysonIG said:
Sorry Grayson, did you really mean 8 WEEKS or MONTHS?
castrated means the testicles are removed
neutered is a more general term, could mean spaying a bitch or giving a dog a vasectomy
most vets and rescue societies are recommending males be neutered at or shortly after 6 months (before they get bad habits), but many breeders think it is better not to neuter a dog until he is 12-18 months old so that he can physically mature normally. This is especially important for larger breeds.
for bitches there is some evidence that spaying before the first season may protect against breast cancer in later life.
but I would think that as with humans there are also benefits to be had in retaining organs and natural hormonal activity
in my own limited experience I have seen submissive non-neutered dogs and dominating neutered dogs and (surprisingly) neutering a male dog doesn't seem to me to have much effect on his behaviour except that he shouldn't stray after bitches in heat. And I even saw a discussion on k9 about castrated males actually mating and tying with bitches!
neutered is a more general term, could mean spaying a bitch or giving a dog a vasectomy
most vets and rescue societies are recommending males be neutered at or shortly after 6 months (before they get bad habits), but many breeders think it is better not to neuter a dog until he is 12-18 months old so that he can physically mature normally. This is especially important for larger breeds.
for bitches there is some evidence that spaying before the first season may protect against breast cancer in later life.
but I would think that as with humans there are also benefits to be had in retaining organs and natural hormonal activity
in my own limited experience I have seen submissive non-neutered dogs and dominating neutered dogs and (surprisingly) neutering a male dog doesn't seem to me to have much effect on his behaviour except that he shouldn't stray after bitches in heat. And I even saw a discussion on k9 about castrated males actually mating and tying with bitches!
Yes, I mean 8 weeks. Reason for this is to ensure the puppies that are sold as pets are not tomorrow's newspaper ad puppies which end up in rescue and contribute to the who puppymill industry that is so huge here in America.Tracy Chamberlain said:
Currently IG rescue in the US has over 100 IG's for adoption that have come from backyard breeders, shut down puppymills, people who bought a pup as they thought it was cute and decided 8 hrs later they didn't want it and etc...
We have a horrible situation going on here. If you need proof, I can paste all the rescue links that have all these dogs for adoption.
In a 2 week span there were over 50 IG's that came into rescue 1 month ago.
Ethical breeders here either spay or neuter their pet puppies before they leave to their new homes, or require the pet to be altered by 6 months of age.
It's very very different on this side of the Atlantic.
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Grayson,GraysonIG said:
Whilst I'm sure that the situation must be dire with everything that you have said, I just cannot believe that vets would neuter at that age. It must have detrimental effects, surely? The vets that I have worked for in the past would never consider operating at that age.
I understand the rescue situation completely, centres here generally neuter before the animals leave for their new homes to avoid further breeding etc, but if you rehome a pup from a rescue you are bound into an agreement to ensure that you will have the dog neutered at an appropriate age.
Has there been any research into the effects that this has on the dogs that are neutered so early, or does the veterinary body there have no qualms at all about these operations?
Sorry for all the questions, but I am flabbergasted :b
As to the 50 Iggies, that is awful. Was that from one breeder who gave up or something? I understood (in my very naive state :blink: ) that Iggies are few and far between in this country, and that litters are very precious? Are the majority of dogs where you are not registered then?
Thanks
Tracy
Here is a link to read about early spay/neutering: Medical Link
Now to answer if those 50 IG's came from one place, no, they came from 2 backyard breeders. These were not registered dogs, just ones that breed them in their basement or garage and sell them via newspaper ad's or in parking lots, or parks - anywhere people will see a cute pup and wish to buy it.
The state of the dogs that were rescued were so horrible, it made my stomach turn when I saw the photo's.
The rescue groups have at least 2-4 turn in's like this a year, plus every other single IG that comes in on their own.
We do have puppymills here that register their animals with the American Kennel Club.
At this point, Ig's are in the top 50 of popular breeds. And if you think what the population of North America - over 400 million, that is a lot of IG's!
Now to answer if those 50 IG's came from one place, no, they came from 2 backyard breeders. These were not registered dogs, just ones that breed them in their basement or garage and sell them via newspaper ad's or in parking lots, or parks - anywhere people will see a cute pup and wish to buy it.
The state of the dogs that were rescued were so horrible, it made my stomach turn when I saw the photo's.
The rescue groups have at least 2-4 turn in's like this a year, plus every other single IG that comes in on their own.
We do have puppymills here that register their animals with the American Kennel Club.
At this point, Ig's are in the top 50 of popular breeds. And if you think what the population of North America - over 400 million, that is a lot of IG's!
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Castration is to a male, and spaying is to a female. Neutering applies to both sexes.
I find this subject very interesting, and having owned a male dog for the last 3 years, I can see no reason for him to be castrated. I worked for a vet for many years where castration of male dogs was done routinely at 5-6 months old. My dog does not mount people (though his sister gets a bit of a bashing!) :blink: , he does not try to stray (but there are no bitches living locally), and I love him as he is with all his bits intact! :wub: I think the possibility of testicular tumours is not a good enough reason to castrate. I do however think the possibility of pyometra in bitches is something that should be considered - testicular tumours you could see, pyometra you don't. Sometimes in a closed pyometra the bitch can be seriously ill by the time you or the vet have sussed out the problem, and if that uterus bursts, you have serious problems, i.e. it is normally fatal. In an open pyometra, you have a better chance of diagnosing the problem before it is too late, but the bitch can still go into shock, and I have seen bitches lost with it. In my 15 years in Veterinary practice I only saw a couple of dogs with testicular tumours, and a couple with prostate tumours, but I saw many many cases of pyometra (especially as the bitches get older). Therefore, if I'm not breeding from my bitches, they are spayed. It is a more simple operation before the first season, and gives a higher protection from developing mammary tumours. That being said, I personally, still let them have at least one season first, as there are also side effects from spaying them early.
You have to weigh up the pros and cons, and decide what you think is best - after all, we all want the best for our dogs.
I find this subject very interesting, and having owned a male dog for the last 3 years, I can see no reason for him to be castrated. I worked for a vet for many years where castration of male dogs was done routinely at 5-6 months old. My dog does not mount people (though his sister gets a bit of a bashing!) :blink: , he does not try to stray (but there are no bitches living locally), and I love him as he is with all his bits intact! :wub: I think the possibility of testicular tumours is not a good enough reason to castrate. I do however think the possibility of pyometra in bitches is something that should be considered - testicular tumours you could see, pyometra you don't. Sometimes in a closed pyometra the bitch can be seriously ill by the time you or the vet have sussed out the problem, and if that uterus bursts, you have serious problems, i.e. it is normally fatal. In an open pyometra, you have a better chance of diagnosing the problem before it is too late, but the bitch can still go into shock, and I have seen bitches lost with it. In my 15 years in Veterinary practice I only saw a couple of dogs with testicular tumours, and a couple with prostate tumours, but I saw many many cases of pyometra (especially as the bitches get older). Therefore, if I'm not breeding from my bitches, they are spayed. It is a more simple operation before the first season, and gives a higher protection from developing mammary tumours. That being said, I personally, still let them have at least one season first, as there are also side effects from spaying them early.
You have to weigh up the pros and cons, and decide what you think is best - after all, we all want the best for our dogs.
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I'm with Jax and Dessie on this one!!!
WHY CASTRATE OR NEUTER UNLESS FOR MEDICAL REASONS!!!!
This subject has been covered numerous times and it still makes my blood boil!
Would you make your husband go for the snip if he was admiring other females??????
If so I dont think there would be many entire men in this country do you?????
WHY CASTRATE OR NEUTER UNLESS FOR MEDICAL REASONS!!!!
This subject has been covered numerous times and it still makes my blood boil!
Would you make your husband go for the snip if he was admiring other females??????
If so I dont think there would be many entire men in this country do you?????
